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Post by begolfpro on Feb 8, 2010 13:54:56 GMT -5
Bradley, From your last post, it appears that you were not swinging on-plane between the 3rd and 4th parallels in your previous swing. You were swinging in-to-out through the impact zone. Now you are swinging on-plane (tracing a SPL) and generating an in-to-square-to-in clubhead path. It therefore gives you the "feel" of "swinging left" post-impact. You are not really "swinging left" in terms of moving the HSP leftwards, as your inclined plane base is still along the ball-target line. To hit the ball straight towards the target when hitting down, you may have had to shift the HSP leftwards. By the way, your swing is superb and equivalent to a PGA tour pro's swing. I think that the best drill for the "feel" of swinging left in the followthrough is practicing how to trace a SPL through the impact zone from the 3rd to the 4th parallels. Jeff. Thanks for the comments Jeff! They are really appreciated I have seen those pictures before! Do you have the link to the video so that I could have a look? Excuse my ignorance but what are the 3rd and 4th parallels? TGM terminology? Always willing to learn I know that it is only a feeling, a great feeling at that , and that I am still standing parallel to my target line. I will adjust the horizontal plane line depending on the shot I want to hit. You guys are a great help ;D Bradley
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Post by begolfpro on Feb 8, 2010 14:10:15 GMT -5
Hi Dave,
Here is the link for the drill you are talking about...I think it is an excellent drill. I use it in addition to the bottle drill and sometimes in conjunction with the bottle dril ;D
Bradley
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 8, 2010 14:14:23 GMT -5
I don't think I am describing swinging left as I would think about it in my swing. If I set up square stance to the ball target line and make a swing if everything is perfect I would expect the ball to move every so slightly to the left in a draw pattern. If I wanted to hit a 10 yard draw I would make the same swing with a closed stance, I would not want to do anything with the club face. If I wanted to hit a fade I would do the opposite procedure. My thought was that Trevino who had more shaft lean than just about anyone out on tour and a strong grip would have to set up even more open. Maybe I have this all wrong and am not a good enough player to really do things physically as they feel to me?
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Post by begolfpro on Feb 8, 2010 14:35:03 GMT -5
I don't think I am describing swinging left as I would think about it in my swing. If I set up square stance to the ball target line and make a swing if everything is perfect I would expect the ball to move every so slightly to the left in a draw pattern. If I wanted to hit a 10 yard draw I would make the same swing with a closed stance, I would not want to do anything with the club face. If I wanted to hit a fade I would do the opposite procedure. My thought was that Trevino who had more shaft lean than just about anyone out on tour and a strong grip would have to set up even more open. Maybe I have this all wrong and am not a good enough player to really do things physically as they feel to me? Greg, My 'thoughts' and interpretation on the subject are that if I set up square to the target line and make a perfect swing, then according to Fredrik Tuxen and Trackman the ball will actually go RIGHT. 0 path and negative angle of attack So to hit the draw I would move the HSP a little right but have the clubface a little closed to the target line. Only with irons though as I am hitting down on the ball. For the driver I would have the face square or even a little open. Only through practice would we be able to figure this out if we do not have a trackman That's why this game drives us to distraction For a fade I would do the opposite. Guys let me know if my interpretations are correct. No trackman and damn snow outside!!! Practice with ball flight? NO CHANCE
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 8, 2010 14:44:46 GMT -5
I am not all that well versed in this stuff, obviously. I want to be because Manzella makes it sound like one of the fundamentals of golf and to hit it straight you need to have it figured out.
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Post by joec on Feb 8, 2010 14:55:20 GMT -5
are you saying the clubface would be pointing the same direction for both swings? this is for gmbtempe
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 8, 2010 15:08:30 GMT -5
are you saying the clubface would be pointing the same direction for both swings? this is for gmbtempe no the face would stay the same (pointing at the ball target line) in how I try to shape shots then I swing along my stance line, or somewhere between but I would not be swinging along the ball target line. I guess the extreme of this would be a bunker shot.
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Post by begolfpro on Feb 8, 2010 15:40:54 GMT -5
Greg, If you don't have them already here is the link to ALL the Trackman Newsletters. trackman.dkCheck in the media section. Get them all, read and enjoy it. They REALLY clear up a lot of the mystery. After reading them I finally understood why despite making a beautiful swing aligned parallel to the target the damn ball still went RIGHT!! And then thinking I had the clubface open I proceeded to close the damn thing on the next swing and lo and behold a hook to be proud of! Ahhhh From what I have worked on I would suggest fixing the swing first and then swing left by adjusting the (aim line, HSP) left of your intended target. How will we know if our iron swings are good? If when we swing with parallel alignment they are nice small pushes. No clubface manipulation or excessive closing. Just my thoughts...being an ex inside-outer ;D ;D Bradley
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Post by joec on Feb 8, 2010 15:52:05 GMT -5
Greg, If you don't have them already here is the link to ALL the Trackman Newsletters. trackman.dk/Media/Newsletter.aspxGet them all, read and enjoy it. They REALLY clear up a lot of the mystery. After reading them I finally understood why despite making a beautiful swing aligned parallel to the target the damn ball still went RIGHT!! And then thinking I had the clubface open I proceeded to close the damn thing on the next swing and lo and behold a hook to be proud of! Ahhhh From what I have worked on I would suggest fixing the swing first and then swing left by adjusting the (aim line, HSP) left of your intended target. How will we know if our iron swings are good? If when we swing with parallel alignment they are nice small pushes. No clubface manipulation or excessive closing. Just my thoughts...being an ex inside-outer ;D ;D Bradley how does trackman help the hacker become a better player?
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Post by begolfpro on Feb 8, 2010 16:24:04 GMT -5
Good question 1) It would allow the hacker to see and better understand how the club travels thru impact. i.e what their swing actually 'looks' like as opposed to what they think they are doing. It will help them to narrow their focus when practicing. Also to practice the things that need fixing and leave that which does not need mending ALONE. what you think you need to work on is not always what you think. 2) With this information and information as to the 'optimum positions' to be in your swing obtained either through forums like these or quality instruction you would then have a goal to work too and a blueprint to work with. Just my 2 cents worth. I would love a Trackman Heh, I'm not doing to badly ;D ;D Thanks to you guys and girls! Bradley
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Post by Richie3Jack on Feb 8, 2010 17:09:10 GMT -5
I think Trevino certainly was 'swinging left' even though he had the mantra of 'aim left, swing right, walk straight.' He aimed DEAD left, almost like I would aim for trying to hit a flop shot. Even if he felt like he was swinging right, he would still likely be swinging to the left because his body was so open at address and at impact.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 8, 2010 18:21:45 GMT -5
I think Trevino certainly was 'swinging left' even though he had the mantra of 'aim left, swing right, walk straight.' He aimed DEAD left, almost like I would aim for trying to hit a flop shot. Even if he felt like he was swinging right, he would still likely be swinging to the left because his body was so open at address and at impact. 3JACK I don't eve know how its possible to aim that left and swing a club head in orbit out to the right, at least not maintaining any type of impact alignments like he did. I am sure it felt like that because he was driving so hard with the right arm.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 8, 2010 18:40:46 GMT -5
Here is a link to the video smartstickgolf.com/why-it-works/plane3rd parallel - when the clubshaft is parallel to the ball-target (or HSP) in the mid-downswing. 4th parallel - when the clubshaft is parallel to the ball-target line (or HSP) in the early finish phase of the swing. Jeff.
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Post by begolfpro on Feb 8, 2010 23:05:19 GMT -5
Thanks Jeff
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Post by johngrahamgolf on Feb 8, 2010 23:21:46 GMT -5
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