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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jun 10, 2012 16:02:11 GMT -5
I was bitching today about the 8 Stimp, but political and financial reality beat out my child like emotion. Greens keepers can grow grass, cutting it too short and rolling them frequently causes stress and possible loss of grass. Nobody wants to lose their job. 1% of players want lightning fast, 90% want slow/fair and 9% have no clue what they want. (I made up these numbers). I heard that Oakmont is a players club and they drown out complaints about the greens being too fast. Humidity is the enemy of fast greens in the NE.
I'll still bitch. Makes me feel good.
BTW - A pin was on a 5.4% slope today (8 on the Stimp). I lashed out at the pro just to screw with him. Jedi mind tricks. (I know he reads this site).
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Post by jeffy on Jun 11, 2012 15:24:41 GMT -5
The new AimPoint is great. Much easier to make a read. Mike Adams on Saturday said something about "new Aimpoint books" being "on the way", so we'd have to do the Aimpoint lesson some other time. What's "new"? I was using the Aimpoint iPhone app over the weekend. Jeff
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jun 11, 2012 15:53:09 GMT -5
The new books are for mid reads which is how Aimpoint is now being taught. The old books are more "find the zero line" and work from there. You cannot perform a mid read with the old books. There's still an art to putting and green reading that isn't captured in the numbers. A lot depends upon the putting speed/capture speed you want for the ball to go into the hole. Aimpoint is more of a "drip" system if you ask me. I like the drip system on really fast greens. Unfortunately, I've been more of a power putter all of my life because I putted on slow greens. I'm becoming more of a drip putter because of Aimpoint. I don't like being short which is my error with Aimpoint.
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Post by iacas on Jun 11, 2012 18:08:12 GMT -5
The new books are for mid reads which is how Aimpoint is now being taught. Yeah. The numbers are all the same. They just took out the "green shapes" thing and the books include a code now for signing up for the AimPoint forum. You cannot perform a mid read with the old books. Huh? You're not talking about the "clock" ones, right? Those are really, really old. The books from 2011 are basically exactly the same as the "new" ones. Even the "clock" ones still work perfectly fine, too. I don't know what you mean by "you cannot ... with the old books." Clarify?
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Post by 94monarch on Jun 11, 2012 19:58:55 GMT -5
I was bitching today about the 8 Stimp, but political and financial reality beat out my child like emotion. Greens keepers can grow grass, cutting it too short and rolling them frequently causes stress and possible loss of grass. Nobody wants to lose their job. 1% of players want lightning fast, 90% want slow/fair and 9% have no clue what they want. (I made up these numbers). I heard that Oakmont is a players club and they drown out complaints about the greens being too fast. Humidity is the enemy of fast greens in the NE. I'll still bitch. Makes me feel good. BTW - A pin was on a 5.4% slope today (8 on the Stimp). I lashed out at the pro just to screw with him. Jedi mind tricks. (I know he reads this site). Thats why you were out there for 4.5 GD hours. You were fussing with that slope thing all day. Next time do that when you have a 1:00 starting time, not 7:30.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jun 11, 2012 20:27:52 GMT -5
Iacas -
I never said the numbers were wrong. There's a reson you give out new books now! I did Aimpoint in 2010. I could care less about the date of my older book and have no idea when it was printed (presumably in 2010). My old book only had 1/2 of a clock per slope percentage and you cannnot perform a mid read perfectly fine with these books. Trying to do a mid read with only half the data is a pain in the butt.
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Post by iacas on Jun 12, 2012 0:27:44 GMT -5
I never said the numbers were wrong. There's a reson you give out new books now! I did Aimpoint in 2010. I could care less about the date of my older book and have no idea when it was printed (presumably in 2010). My old book only had 1/2 of a clock per slope percentage and you cannnot perform a mid read perfectly fine with these books. Trying to do a mid read with only half the data is a pain in the butt. I actually prefer the book with 1/2 circles (1/2% in the top one, 3/4% in the bottom one). It's my "gamer" chart. ;D I prefer it over the one with four full circles.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 12, 2012 7:12:02 GMT -5
I still use some of the old techniques, particularly the low and high anchor points. Saves me some time or clears up things. My pace of play, which has always been pretty fast has picked up even more now that I understand AimPoint and have practiced it enough. Problem is getting used to the players who take their time on the greens with all that crouching and plum bobbing 3JACK
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Post by iacas on Jun 12, 2012 13:20:23 GMT -5
Problem is getting used to the players who take their time on the greens with all that crouching and plum bobbing Do people ask you how you putt so well when they never see you "reading" the greens? I've had a few people ask me.
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Post by jeffy on Jun 12, 2012 13:55:01 GMT -5
I never said the numbers were wrong. There's a reson you give out new books now! I did Aimpoint in 2010. I could care less about the date of my older book and have no idea when it was printed (presumably in 2010). My old book only had 1/2 of a clock per slope percentage and you cannnot perform a mid read perfectly fine with these books. Trying to do a mid read with only half the data is a pain in the butt. I actually prefer the book with 1/2 circles (1/2% in the top one, 3/4% in the bottom one). It's my "gamer" chart. ;D I prefer it over the one with four full circles. How do the books differ from the interactive chart on the iPhone app? itunes.apple.com/us/app/aimpoint/id392015867?mt=8Jeff
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jun 12, 2012 14:16:54 GMT -5
I'm not sure since I haven't bought the iphone app.
Iacas?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 12, 2012 15:41:53 GMT -5
Problem is getting used to the players who take their time on the greens with all that crouching and plum bobbing Do people ask you how you putt so well when they never see you "reading" the greens? I've had a few people ask me. No, they just get angry when I tell them that plum bobbing is a waste of time 3JACK
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Post by iacas on Jun 12, 2012 17:45:41 GMT -5
I'm not sure since I haven't bought the iphone app. Iacas? They don't have nearly as much information. You have to do "math" (basic math, but "math") to get values for things like 13 feet or 2.5% slope. That said I never use my iPhone app when I'm on the course. Too much fiddling, no real added gains.
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Post by jeffy on Jun 12, 2012 22:26:04 GMT -5
I'm not sure since I haven't bought the iphone app. Iacas? They don't have nearly as much information. You have to do "math" (basic math, but "math") to get values for things like 13 feet or 2.5% slope. That said I never use my iPhone app when I'm on the course. Too much fiddling, no real added gains. I don't understand this. With the iPhone app, you can plug in 13 feet and 2.5 degrees slope. Or do you mean the charts "don't have nearly as much information"? Jeff
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Post by iacas on Jun 13, 2012 6:34:01 GMT -5
I don't understand this. With the iPhone app, you can plug in 13 feet and 2.5 degrees slope. Or do you mean the charts "don't have nearly as much information"? The charts don't. 5', 30°, and 1% increments. Which is fine. The app is too fiddly. I have my chart out for about five seconds, total.
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