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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 2, 2010 0:30:54 GMT -5
Paul, Here is a diagram showing the angle between the left arm and clubshaft at address for different clubs. I noted that on the DTL view that you stand with your left arm and clubshaft in a straight line relationship. How do you achieve that? Is your left hand grip a lower palm/finger grip or a mid-palm grip? Are you deliberately downcocking your left wrist at address? Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 2, 2010 10:18:47 GMT -5
Greg, You wrote-: "P5 - As you transition it does not look like you are getting enough weight transfer to the left leg, do you have any guess what your weight distribution is just starting the downswing." How much weight should a golfer have on the left leg at P5 and how do you determine from a swing video what's the likely amount of weight distribution on the left leg at P5? Jeff. I can't tell how much thats why I asked but making a "guess" from video it looks like its not as much as I would expect, or might work for him in that swing. I tend to look at it like Shawn Clement does, or I think Homer did the same thing, that there is a top and an end of the swing, the top happening just before P4 and the end being P4. Top is going to happen just before P4. There should be some COG transfer as you pass P4 and get to the end at P4. I would imagine at a minimum 60% should be on the left leg at the end of the backswing. I don't see how you can start down with weight at 50/50 so that you would be dropping the hands yet transferring your COG's, that does not work in my mind, or does not work as well that is.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 2, 2010 11:11:02 GMT -5
Greg,
I thought you were talking about P5 and not P4 in your original post.
I can easily imagine a golfer having a 50:50 weight distribution at P4 (or at P5).
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 2, 2010 11:59:30 GMT -5
P5 is the arm parallel on the downswing, if the weight is 50/50 I think 99% of amateurs are going to be in deep trouble.
I actually agree with B+P that the majority of golfers are too far right in the swing and getting their weight left is going to help a vast majority.
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Post by vjsinger on Mar 2, 2010 12:12:13 GMT -5
Paul, Check out this video of Tiger from the face on and notice how he starts the downswing. At the start of the downswing watch his left side/oblique area and notice how he doesn't spin out of the shot with the upper body. When the club is parallel to the ground in the DS, notice the location of the left shoulder and how little it moves from there to and past impact. The club travels a few feet while the shoulder only moves a couple of inches. www.youtube.com/watch?v=nESDTgMck0UThen check out the hand location in this DTL view of Tiger. Notice at the set-up how much closer his hands are to his body than yours and where his weight is balanced, through his ankles. This is anatomically correct. IMO Tiger has the best set-up in golf. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwYVJkmik3w
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 2, 2010 21:10:53 GMT -5
Greg,
You wrote-: "P5 is the arm parallel on the downswing, if the weight is 50/50 I think 99% of amateurs are going to be in deep trouble."
My personal opinion is 100% reversed relative to your opinion - I think that they will be in a good situation if the weight distribution is 50:50 at P5.
Consider a traditional swing with a rightwards-centered backswing action.
If the weight at address is 50:50, then a rightwards-centered backswing action will keep the torso weight more-or-less central. However, both arms move to the right, so that I can imagine the weight distribution being 35:65 (or 40:60) to the right at the end-backswing. At impact, most of the weight is going to be over the straight left leg - let's assume 80%. Therefore, during the downswing the weight distribution is going to change from 35:65 (or 40:60) to 80:20. At some point in the downswing, it is going to be 50:50 and I think that the most likely time is at P5 (end of the early downswing). That's the time when a golfer has ended his hip squaring phase and has acquired the "sit-down" look. At that time, a golfer is in his optimum state of balance (most stable situation) and that is when the weight distribution should be approximately 50:50.
These rough figures will change considerably if a golfer uses a VJ Trolio backswing action or a S&T swing action.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 2, 2010 22:02:07 GMT -5
Yea, maybe your right that 50/50 is a closer number....I guess I am just prejudiced against people getting stuck we behind the ball, more people need to get left. I am not saying they should all stack and tilt it but they should look at teaching by Gary Edwin or VJ Trolio, I think they have things that make weight transfer easier for a great number of people.
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Post by slice_oftheday on Mar 21, 2010 20:28:08 GMT -5
So I've been working on getting on the 4:30 line on the downswing, and getting more weight on my left side at impact with improved footwork. My vintage irons are currently being re-shafted and bent 5° flat, so in the mean time I've been messing around in the backyard with short shots. I think my footwork has improved slightly since I've been trying to get a flexed left knee at impact to avoid spinning out. When my irons are finished, I'm going to tape the range session with them.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 21, 2010 20:39:44 GMT -5
man that looks better from the stills...great work
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Post by slice_oftheday on Mar 21, 2010 20:48:34 GMT -5
Thanks man, I appreciate it
Next time at the range with my flat irons, I'm going to think two things:
1) Pitch elbow on the 4:30 line
2) Trolio's pivot to get my weight to the left side
I will film the next session and post videos
Thanks guys
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Post by slice_oftheday on Mar 27, 2010 19:41:06 GMT -5
update: So my vintage clubs couldn't be reshafted because of a huge hosel diameter and weird taper design, but I ended up buying a set of Titleist 690 blades in good condition from a member on another forum, and he bent them 4* flat for me. I'm out of town right now, but the clubs have arrived at my house. Before I left town, I went out to play 9 holes in the morning, the first time I've been out on the course in about a year and a half (quit for awhile to focus on tennis). Ended up shooting 39 (+3), played decently but still left a lot of scoring opportunities on the table. I've been trying the Trolio pivot because one of my main problems is not really ever getting the weight on the left side through impact. I had decent results with it, but the move itself feels too unatural for me. I'm going to re-read slicefixer's texarkana and work on utilizing his pivot action/setup angles in conjunction with Sevam1's pressure on the right instep/ball of the foot in a pushing off sensation during "the move." Can't wait to get back and hit some flat clubs
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 27, 2010 20:18:13 GMT -5
update: So my vintage clubs couldn't be reshafted because of a huge hosel diameter and weird taper design What are those vintage irons? I only ask this because it makes zero sense to me. I know the Iron Factory can pretty much re-shaft anything. Most vintage clubs had all taper tip hosels. 3JACK
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Post by slice_oftheday on Mar 28, 2010 9:22:28 GMT -5
I took my Spalding Qualifier blades from the 70's to a local club repair guy, and he said that the hosel diameter was greater than anything True Temper makes (over .370) and it had a taper design that he said he had "never seen before."
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 28, 2010 9:31:45 GMT -5
Interesting.
3JACK
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Post by slice_oftheday on Apr 5, 2010 21:03:04 GMT -5
Update: Got back in town Saturday night, got a chance to get out to the range with my new Titleist 690 MB's at 4° flat. I really just love everything about these irons, and the flatness doesn't bother me at all. Anyway, I took some video and tried some new stuff. Firstly, I switched my address to standard address with I think what is called mid-body hands instead of setting up at impact fix. I also have been trying to incorporate the setup Slicefixer recommends in Texarkana Encyclopedia. This setup feels more comfortable to me than the previous one, and I feel that I am more compact and stable. My solid shots had that extra whoosh I think too. I have some questions for the swing gurus on the site. My takeaway is really dragged around my body pretty far inside, so I'm not sure if I need to work on that or not. I know that Lag Erickson and Rich both place more emphasis on the DS/impact/post impact than the BS but I just wanted to inquire. I think I am attacking from pitch elbow on the 4:30 line, but I could be wrong. I still feel there is some weird movement between p4 and p7 with my head/heel flying off the ground too soon which gives me a "cramped" stuck feeling through impact and the release. Any help on this is greatly appreciated. My release looks super weird IMO and I can't tell if its CP or CF out to right field. Today on the range I hit a lot pure, but with some fats and a small number of hosel hits or shanks, so I think my low point control/consistency is still not there. Basically I'm trying to incorporate Slicefixer's pivot with Sevam1's "the move," but I'm still unsure about my weight distribution, cramped impact that still looks flippy, and funky release. Any help is greatly appreciated. DTL: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhXM6kufknkFace On: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq_cVPTLce0Face On stills on the next page Elbow Plane: Impact:
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