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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 12, 2012 10:47:29 GMT -5
Not sure if Emery was trying to be specific on his draft strategy. If he was, I would disagree with some of the parts, particularly because you can find immediate starters at positions like guard, center and safety in rounds 2-4.
Although I can see your dislike of trading down given that was a favorite move of Jerry Angelo's. I just think Angelo usually overdid it.
To me, Angelo had a very obvious personality trait that he wanted to show the world how smart he was and that translated to the draft or when he fired Dick Jauron (coincidentally an Ivy Leaguer who may have made Angelo feel inferior intellectually). People often forget that Lovie was way down the list of who Angelo wanted and his first desire was Jeff Tedford.
With the draft, Angelo would always try and trade down and grab an unknown in the 2nd roud and reach for that unknown. But the issue with a guy like Angelo is that he would wind up reaching a bit for that player.
Of course, he could then point out how well those players like Charles Tillman worked out. But the fact is that if you grab a player in the 2nd round that has 4th round value and you have a 3rd round pick, you're still doing a disservice for the team. Reaches, even if they work out, are not optimal for building a team.
3JACK
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Oct 12, 2012 12:40:07 GMT -5
I like Emery's summary and it's a very good rule of thumb. There are always exceptions, nobody can consistently find the exceptions or that person would have been drafted much, much higher. Until you see someone play in the NFL it's just a guess. Some guys take years (ex. offensive lineman comes to my mind) to crack a rotation to become a starter. There is no perfect forumla, but Emery's seems pretty good and is better than no strategy at all. I still believe that Emery drafts the best available player in the first couple rounds and that factors into his picks.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 12, 2012 14:02:24 GMT -5
I think the general rule of thumb is that offensive tackles drafted in rounds 1-3 are expected to start some day. Guards and centers in rounds 2-4. Round 5-7 O-Linemen are usually considered guys with potential, particularly from an athletic standpoint.
Reason being is that for the most part, O-Linemen are a non-factor on special teams outside of the 1-2 O-Linemen that serve for a blocking wedge on returns, and with the new wedge rules in football they serve an even lesser purpose. So if you draft in rounds 1-3 for OT's and 2-4 in guards and centers you expect them to start because otherwise, they give you virtually nothing. Somebody like a WR may not be able to start, but can be a key special teams player.
My feelings is that the best coaches in this game typically handle injuries very well. Partially by having an eye for talent and more importantly, developing talent. But also by acquiring more picks. The injury part of the NFL is such a crucial part of the game and it's very unpredictable. The best one can do IMO is to try to up the overall talent level and increase roster depth. I wish Jerry Jones would understand this.
3JACK
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Oct 12, 2012 22:01:36 GMT -5
Depth is so important. The Giants had 6-8 rookies have major contributions during their SB a couple years ago. Some guys guess better with their picks. Nobody has a proven strategy to guarantee draft success. Makes this game so great. One draft away from te playoffs.
I wish Vick was a Cowboy so I could hate his play even more.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 13, 2012 9:38:21 GMT -5
I wish Vick was a Cowboy so I could hate his play even more. That's Andy Reid's cross to bear. 3JACK
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Oct 13, 2012 17:58:49 GMT -5
Both of them will not be with the Eagles next year.
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Post by kamandi on Oct 13, 2012 23:07:36 GMT -5
Both of them will not be with the Eagles next year. When Reid chose Vick over McNabb and Kolb, their futures were pretty much tied to each other. In hindsight, though, it still seems like the smarter decision. McNabb had shown that his best days were way behind him, and Kolb is showing that he's a typical game manager with limited throwing ability. The contract they gave Vick now seems pretty excessive, though. When the head coach is practically the GM, he's sometimes too close to the situation to make prudent decisions.
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Post by kamandi on Oct 14, 2012 1:25:43 GMT -5
The Chiefs are so talented, it's ridiculous to see them with a losing record. They already lost Carr to the Cowboys, but their secondary is still very strong. They're tough against the run and the pass.
On offense, their OL is great at run blocking, and Charles and his backup do an excellent job. Charles had 125 rushing yards and the team 178 yards rushing against the Ravens, in the 1st half. They also have a true #1 in Bowe.
imo, Crennel shouldn't be a head coach; he's an excellent D coordinator, but he doesn't have the boldness or confidence to take the right risks. Because he's been snakebitten by turnovers on offense the prior games, he ran the ball 50 times and passed only 18 times. By the 2nd half, the Ravens knew the Chiefs were going to run on 3rd and long, and the rushing offense was reaching the point of diminishing returns. That should've been the right time for play action, but they were too scared to pass to use it.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 14, 2012 9:39:05 GMT -5
The Eagles missed their shot at the Super Bowl when they had a division with Jim Fassel, Dave Campo and Steve Spurrier as the head coaches. I don't think Reid is a bad coach, but he certainly has his flaws. He was smart enough to get the late Jim Johnson to coach the defense as he deemed fit. But he never understood that his offense had to be able to run the ball to close out games and to get crucial first downs in short yardage situations.
Then the division became better with Coughlin, Parcells and Gibbs coaching the other teams and the Eagles were no longer as great as they once were. And when McNabb started to get too old they had to start looking at a new QB. Kolb wasn't the answer and then they took a chance on Vick and he worked out initially.
But, Vick has never been a consistently good QB and that's where McNabb should probably be looked at as under appreciated by Eagles fans. He was much more solid and built for consistent regular season success than Vick. Unfortunately for Eagles fans, he couldn't stay healthy and he needed a consistent running game and/or better WR's to take the pressure off him in big games.
I just think the Eagles missed their boat.
3JACK
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Oct 14, 2012 19:10:10 GMT -5
I'll sum it up for you Richie, EAGLES SUCK!
Pathetic bunch. Another SB less season.
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Post by kamandi on Oct 15, 2012 5:58:34 GMT -5
Wow, for a team with a lot of veterans, the Cowboys are ridiculously undisciplined. Very avoidable critical penalties, terrible contain in ST coverage, and WRs who don't make plays on catchable balls during the big moments.
Also, does it look to you that Romo takes a long time to get the play off, because he has to dumb it down and explain to everyone what they have to do, like they've never done it before?
I think a head coaching change is needed, so that the talent won't be wasted.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 15, 2012 7:32:56 GMT -5
kamandi, I've been saying this since 2008. All of it.
I will say that the refereeing was horrendous and mostly against us. I would say the chop block on Felix was about as bad as it gets, but it was only out done by the PI call on Claiborne where not only was Claiborne looking at the ball, but was pushed off so badly that he was temporarily injured.
Anyway, I don't think the team has a lot of talent. Mainly because the team generally played well and the Ravens played poorly and the Cowboys still could't win. That's usually a sign of a lack of talent.
And while people talk about a lack of discipline, our defense is a joke and still cannot make INT"s. We've had 1 INT all year long, from Sean Lee. And for all intents and purposes, that was really a fumble that counted as an INT.
Welcome to Cowboys football.
3JACK
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Post by kamandi on Oct 15, 2012 10:09:09 GMT -5
Nah, I think the talent is there, but they just don't capitalize on critical opportunities. I'm not impressed with the pass rush, though.
And on other news, RGIII played amazing again. It may not look great in the stats, but he was extremely poised, decisive in everything he did, and executed close to perfection. Plus, he came through in the big moments.
Ridiculous maturity and situtional awareness that even some good veteran QBs don't possess.
My only concern with him is longevity, because his frame is pretty small.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Oct 15, 2012 11:40:26 GMT -5
As long as we finish ahead of the Cowboys I view that as ANOTHER SB victory for the Eagles. Fly Eagles Fly!!!!!
I love being able to change history with a couple keystrokes. I should be a politician.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Oct 15, 2012 11:41:45 GMT -5
Richie -
In all honesty, you're a Cowboys fan I can respect and appreciate.
Most Eagles fans are drunks and ignorant.
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