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Post by iteachgolf on Mar 23, 2010 21:25:18 GMT -5
My most recent swings
Posting these to show that I teach multiple patterns and far from cookie cutter
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Post by slice_oftheday on Mar 23, 2010 22:37:11 GMT -5
Wow, "Sam's" action looks really great. Remind me of Lucas Glover a bit, and he gets down on the 4:30 line nicely.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 23, 2010 23:23:00 GMT -5
Dan,
You certainly do teach multiple patterns.
I love Sam's swing.
He uses a rightwards-centered backswing action swing style.
He uses a right forearm takeaway and he doesn't take his hands "inside-deep" like a S&T golfer.
He has a rotary downswing pelvic motion without any assertive left-lateral pelvic slide action, and the outer border of his pelvis is inside the outer border of his left foot at impact.
When do you teach this methodology - rather than a S&T swing methodology?
Why don't you choose to swing like Sam?
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 23, 2010 23:49:11 GMT -5
Dan, Why don't you choose to swing like Sam? Jeff. I always wonder this same question, what does the SnT pattern provide for the good player that their previous pattern did not. I am sure Dan was better than scratch using both.
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Post by iteachgolf on Mar 23, 2010 23:50:47 GMT -5
Dan, You certainly do teach multiple patterns. I love Sam's swing. He uses a rightwards-centered backswing action swing style. He uses a right forearm takeaway and he doesn't take his hands "inside-deep" like a S&T golfer. He has a rotary downswing pelvic motion without any assertive left-lateral pelvic slide action, and the outer border of his pelvis is inside the outer border of his left foot at impact. When do you teach this methodology - rather than a S&T swing methodology? Why don't you choose to swing like Sam? Jeff. Because my swing fits me better. Timing the big shallowing move without getting underplane is hard for even a great golfer like Sam let alone the average player. I don't teach a model, I simply teach off of ball flight. I make changes that will affect ball flight immediately and make sure the student understands this. I have a higher smash factor and get more out of my swing than Sam does IMO. Sam has a very bright future in golf, just because someone does something doesn't mean I would teach it or I would teach someone not to do it. You work with each person brings to the table.
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Post by iteachgolf on Mar 24, 2010 0:00:38 GMT -5
Dan, Why don't you choose to swing like Sam? Jeff. I always wonder this same question, what does the SnT pattern provide for the good player that their previous pattern did not. I am sure Dan was better than scratch using both. I was a +4 using my old pattern and would say I shoot the same scores as I did before. I putt worse than I did when I was trying to play. What S&T offered me was a way to hit my long irons high and draw the ball which I couldn't do consistently. What I had worked in FL in the high winds but when you start playing around the country the higher you hit it the better off you are. I am hitting the ball about half a club further and much higher, not to mention more control and understanding when things aren't going perfectly. I always setup the same as I do now and I always had the same finish and a ton of extension. Most recent swings actually are a little more behind the ball and more CP.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 24, 2010 0:29:06 GMT -5
I always wonder this same question, what does the SnT pattern provide for the good player that their previous pattern did not. I am sure Dan was better than scratch using both. I was a +4 using my old pattern and would say I shoot the same scores as I did before. I putt worse than I did when I was trying to play. What S&T offered me was a way to hit my long irons high and draw the ball which I couldn't do consistently. What I had worked in FL in the high winds but when you start playing around the country the higher you hit it the better off you are. I am hitting the ball about half a club further and much higher, not to mention more control and understanding when things aren't going perfectly. I always setup the same as I do now and I always had the same finish and a ton of extension. Most recent swings actually are a little more behind the ball and more CP. Interesting. I thought those swings looked a little different then the video on draws you did with Dana. Did you have to mess around with your face to hit it higher going to SnT, it would seem pushing the ball back on the circle and hitting out more you would hit it lower, that was my experience.
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Post by iteachgolf on Mar 24, 2010 0:49:22 GMT -5
I was a +4 using my old pattern and would say I shoot the same scores as I did before. I putt worse than I did when I was trying to play. What S&T offered me was a way to hit my long irons high and draw the ball which I couldn't do consistently. What I had worked in FL in the high winds but when you start playing around the country the higher you hit it the better off you are. I am hitting the ball about half a club further and much higher, not to mention more control and understanding when things aren't going perfectly. I always setup the same as I do now and I always had the same finish and a ton of extension. Most recent swings actually are a little more behind the ball and more CP. Interesting. I thought those swings looked a little different then the video on draws you did with Dana. Did you have to mess around with your face to hit it higher going to SnT, it would seem pushing the ball back on the circle and hitting out more you would hit it lower, that was my experience. Shallower angle of attack with open face (push draw) makes the ball go higher. I used to play a pull cut (very CP) and couldn't get 3 and 4 irons high enough to be of any use.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 24, 2010 8:57:07 GMT -5
Dan,
Thanks for responding. I can easily understand how the S&T swing methodology may work better for an individual golfer for certain shots. I hope that your back doesn't suffer the consequences of adopting a S&T swing methodology - if you decide to still remain a S&T golfer for the next few decades.
Jeff.
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Post by krmorgan24 on Mar 25, 2010 9:25:39 GMT -5
Dan, we have a lot in common. I was about a +4 with my pattern. I was very interested in learning S&T, I even took a lesson with Dana once. Unfortunately, I just can't afford to make that big of a change. By afford, I mean I literally couldn't afford the lessons. Who did you work with and how did you go about changing to S&T? I still really want to learn a lot more about it. Especially since you say that you hit it longer and higher. One of the turn offs to me was that I wasn't sure how I would be able to get the ball in the air with that type of swing. After my 1 lesson with Dana I was hitting head high 3 irons for a week. I know it was just one lesson, but like I said, I wasn't in a position financially to commit to that kind of change.
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Post by iteachgolf on Mar 25, 2010 11:10:07 GMT -5
Dan, we have a lot in common. I was about a +4 with my pattern. I was very interested in learning S&T, I even took a lesson with Dana once. Unfortunately, I just can't afford to make that big of a change. By afford, I mean I literally couldn't afford the lessons. Who did you work with and how did you go about changing to S&T? I still really want to learn a lot more about it. Especially since you say that you hit it longer and higher. One of the turn offs to me was that I wasn't sure how I would be able to get the ball in the air with that type of swing. After my 1 lesson with Dana I was hitting head high 3 irons for a week. I know it was just one lesson, but like I said, I wasn't in a position financially to commit to that kind of change. Well I pretty much taught myself. My background in The Golfing Machine and then spending a lot of time with Mike and Andy over the last 2+ years I figured out the pattern pretty well. I am lucky enough to call both Andy and Dana friends and have gone to around 10 S&T Clinics all across the US. So all in all I took about a one hour lesson with Andy 2 years ago and since then have simply been in contact with them and gotten as much information as possible. I do think my background, both as a double engineering major before dropping out to play professionally and my background as an Authorized Instructor of TGM allowed me to understand the information and go deeper into it faster than others may have been able to. I also am someone who just loves to learn and read and I estimate I spend 30+ hours a week reading and researching the swing outside of my teaching.
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Post by iteachgolf on Apr 8, 2010 23:54:37 GMT -5
Figured I'd post this, one of the college players I teach. He has a crazy work ethic and a VERY good short game.
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Post by iteachgolf on Apr 16, 2010 23:04:59 GMT -5
Some of you saw Stanley's first lesson, here is his second.
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Post by iteachgolf on Apr 20, 2010 22:36:05 GMT -5
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Post by iteachgolf on Apr 22, 2010 21:14:42 GMT -5
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