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Post by TeddyIrons on Mar 16, 2010 1:54:12 GMT -5
What do you mean by "baseline"?
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Post by golfbaka on Mar 16, 2010 4:47:07 GMT -5
If you read through the iseek archive on Lag's website you'll see that he agknowledges the semi-straightening of the right arm as MOG's move from the 1980s. Whether Mac came up with this or not I have no idea... Another thing I want to take issue with is this 'Lynn Blake Hitting' stuff. Lynn Blake's so called method is just 'The Basic Hitting Pattern - (Drive Loading)' buy it for $3 from Peter Croker's site www.crokergolfsystem.com/TGM_Downloads.htm Lynn Blake does not teach 'a method'. I'm sure if you went to Lynn Blake and asked him to teach you '4 Barrel Hitting' I'm sure he'd do it. |
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 16, 2010 10:28:20 GMT -5
If you read through the iseek archive on Lag's website you'll see that he agknowledges the semi-straightening of the right arm as MOG's move from the 1980s. Whether Mac came up with this or not I have no idea... Another thing I want to take issue with is this 'Lynn Blake Hitting' stuff. Lynn Blake's so called method is just 'The Basic Hitting Pattern - (Drive Loading)' buy it for $3 from Peter Croker's site www.crokergolfsystem.com/TGM_Downloads.htm Lynn Blake does not teach 'a method'. I'm sure if you went to Lynn Blake and asked him to teach you '4 Barrel Hitting' I'm sure he'd do it. I agree with your statements on Lynn Blake, its 100% TGM. |
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tball88
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Post by tball88 on Mar 16, 2010 19:43:45 GMT -5
Golfbaka, I completely agree with you, I think Lynn's interpretation of hitting is very by the book according to TGM.
It's interesting that while Lag is very well educated on TGM, he has a completely different interpretation on how hitting should be accomplished. I remember a big discussion on Lynn's board where many people think Lag's actually a swinger, because they don't believe he drive loads.
I'm sure both methods can be used with great effectiveness and I in fact have worked with both Lynn and Ted and have the utmost respect for both.
I'm just trying to get a better understanding of the their different ideas regarding the golf swing.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 16, 2010 20:15:38 GMT -5
I didn't have a problem with tball titling the thread 'Lynn Blake Hitting.' However, that's because I've played golf with tball before and we've talked about various teachers and I know he's seen the LBG crew for lessons before. IMO, Lynn is about as much by the book and really gets into what Homer was thinking than anybody else on the planet today. Maybe Chuck Evans is just as much, but I've never really had the pleasure to talk to him.
So when it was titled 'Lynn Blake hitting', I just kind of interpreted it as TGM hitting because tball knows how much by the book Lynn is.
That being said, I was told by Ted Fort that the 6th edition has a different type of hitting procedure in there that they didn't leave in for the 7th edition. I'm sure Lynn teaches this as well as in my last lesson with Ted we went into the 6th edition hitting procedure.
If we can trust me with this, I know tball wasn't trying to imply that Lynn has a specific hitting method nor was he trying to disrespect Lynn in any way, shape or form. I'll re-title the thread.
3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 16, 2010 22:04:37 GMT -5
3jack
In what sense is there a change in the recommended TGM hitting procedure between the 6th and 7th editions of the TGM book?
Jeff.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 16, 2010 22:10:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it's a change in 'recommended' procedure or if it just gives an additional, but different procedure for hitting.
The one Ted and I talked about in the 6th edition (I've never read the 6th edition) has the golfer getting into pitch elbow. At the top of the swing, the feel was one of making a karate chop with the *right* hand into impact.
3JACK
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Post by golfbaka on Mar 17, 2010 5:37:45 GMT -5
tball88, I think it comes down very much to how you define 'hitting'. For TGM its how you load the club; for ABS its how you release the club (CP + angled hinge or CF + full roll hinge). I'm guessing most people in this forum know that anyway.
For me Lag's method, as I've applied it so far, feels much more dynamic and powerful. I know the pivot is 'zone 1' in TGM speak but I really don't think that it gets enough attention in the yellow book. (I'm guessing this would be very different if you actually took a lesson with an AI)
From what I've seen so far I love how Lag's drills work for engraining his method.
Really Lag's method is built on his understanding of TGM and rebellion from TGM, plus his observation of the great ball strikers he's seen - Knudson, both Norman's, Peter Senior etc.
My experience with TGM hitting was that I was losing too much distance with the driver. With Lag's method the results have been really really good.
What are people's experiences who have tried both?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 17, 2010 8:49:12 GMT -5
I'm only about 1/2 of the way thru Module 2. I never lot any distance with TGM hitting. The biggest thing for me is getting on the elbow plane vs. the Turned Shoulder Plane. Combine that with the flatter irons and the chances for missing left have been greatly reduced. It's good to have the confidence that you're only going to miss one way.
3JACK
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 17, 2010 9:07:27 GMT -5
3jack
You wrote-: "The one Ted and I talked about in the 6th edition (I've never read the 6th edition) has the golfer getting into pitch elbow. At the top of the swing, the feel was one of making a karate chop with the *right* hand into impact."
I have never seen anything in the TGM book to suggest that a TGM hitter should use a pitch elbow motion or direct the ulnar border of the right hand at the ball. In the description of TGM hitting by Lynn Blake, a golfer must direct the palm of the right hand at the ball because a TGM hitter doesn't use a takeaway swivel action that would get the right palm to face upwards (perpendicularly directed away from the inclined plane) at the top of the backswing. If a TGM hitter directs the right palm at the ball and doesn't use a release swivel action, then he must be using a punch elbow motion.
If there is description of TGM hitting that describes the use of a takeaway swivel action, then I would like to read it.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 17, 2010 10:05:25 GMT -5
I have never seen anything in the TGM book to suggest that a TGM hitter should use a pitch elbow motion
Are you reading the 7th edition, where Richie is saying that has been removed or changed from the 6th edition, or are you saying you read more than one edition?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 17, 2010 17:25:28 GMT -5
Greg,
I have only read the 7th and 6th editions of the TGM book.
Jeff.
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Post by slice_oftheday on Mar 17, 2010 17:39:37 GMT -5
Rich,
I'm trying to get into Lag's ABS hitting pattern, and I've noticed you talking about hitting with a pitch elbow. Do you actively try and get the elbow into a pitch position as a transition/downswing move and then fire #2 and 3# while pivoting, or is it an automatic thing? I was taking practice swings in the mirror, and seemed to be able to get the club on the elbow plane when actively trying to achieve a pitch elbow before firing #2 and #3/pivoting through.
- Paul
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Post by tball88 on Mar 18, 2010 8:05:14 GMT -5
Golfbaka, I do agree the ABS move feels to be more dynamic to me as well, probably because of the focus on an aggressive pivot as opposed to focusing on driving to a straight right arm.
I've been working hard on the move and for me(always had a problem going left) it has taken the left side more out of play, however, I will admit, sometimes I feel like I'm going to lose the ball right. I also feel that for lack of a better term, I'm "covering the ball" much better. The feeling is to turn those shoulders and then fire the hands very late.
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Post by golfbaka on Mar 18, 2010 9:00:55 GMT -5
Golfbaka, I do agree the ABS move feels to be more dynamic to me as well, probably because of the focus on an aggressive pivot as opposed to focusing on driving to a straight right arm. I've been working hard on the move and for me(always had a problem going left) it has taken the left side more out of play, however, I will admit, sometimes I feel like I'm going to lose the ball right. I also feel that for lack of a better term, I'm "covering the ball" much better. The feeling is to turn those shoulders and then fire the hands very late. tball if you mean 'pull' by 'going left' then I'm in the same boat as you - I've taken the 'pull' out of play. With Lag's pattern it seems that if you don't fire those hands you're going straight right all day long... I'm also finding that doing drills without hitting balls is helping me have less swing thoughts on the course. A happy coincidence. |
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