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Post by jeffy on Aug 6, 2013 9:19:13 GMT -5
Ah actually that is you not a medical doctor. Also that face is not closed but delofted. You never lowered it to the impact area keeping it in the same orientation for anyone to see. But like I said anyone can do it for themselves to see how totally wrong you are. Plus we can't even see the face in most of the video. You need to shut up man of no knowledge...geeez! I did that in many other videos. How the hell one can be so idiotic, that cant't understand that if the shaft rotates, face closes, no matter if the club is high or low or moving in some illusion called plane. This finger torguing talk is most funny. I'd really like to see someone doing PF without moving his fingers I am doing it now. PF is a wrist movement. If someone cut off all your fingers, could you no longer PF?
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Post by teeace on Aug 6, 2013 9:32:51 GMT -5
Another oldie but goodie from one of Kel's articles, featuring you-know-who: That's the whole problem we ever have had really Jeffy (and Kelvin) Those lines are not telling about supination. Hogan is in PF and you are dorsiflexed at that point. Bowed vs cupped is not supination at all and that's what I've had been telling all the time. If you could see those moments from top down view, you would notice that the left arm is still about parallel to the target line (more/less) so the real supination would throw the club head out and also close it relative to the path. So, bowing and supination together is a real killer for player, because both movements are closing the face and supination also throws it to outer path and pull hooks and duck hooks are what you get then. Supination is also rollers move and gets the CH pass the hands really quickly after impact and for higher hdcp players even before impact. That's the reason Hogan needed to find a solution to resist supination and also get effect of bowing smaller with his grip change. I hope Richie you accept this posting here as I see it's more explanation than critics.
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Post by teeace on Aug 6, 2013 9:36:39 GMT -5
I did that in many other videos. How the hell one can be so idiotic, that cant't understand that if the shaft rotates, face closes, no matter if the club is high or low or moving in some illusion called plane. This finger torguing talk is most funny. I'd really like to see someone doing PF without moving his fingers I am doing it now. PF is a wrist movement. If someone cut off all your fingers, could you no longer PF? Yes you could but that doesn't effect to the club as you can't hold it any more Fingers rotate with that wrist movement, not relative to the wrist. So whole hand rotates around wrist joint and fingers are just part of the hand. If someone can do PF so that his fingers don't move, his hand is in pieces.
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Post by chipitin on Aug 6, 2013 21:47:15 GMT -5
I am doing it now. PF is a wrist movement. If someone cut off all your fingers, could you no longer PF? Yes you could but that doesn't effect to the club as you can't hold it any more Fingers rotate with that wrist movement, not relative to the wrist. So whole hand rotates around wrist joint and fingers are just part of the hand. If someone can do PF so that his fingers don't move, his hand is in pieces. Here's a better explanation from a doctor no less. youtu.be/ndDCQpm0AVw
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Post by teeace on Aug 6, 2013 23:59:49 GMT -5
Yes you could but that doesn't effect to the club as you can't hold it any more Fingers rotate with that wrist movement, not relative to the wrist. So whole hand rotates around wrist joint and fingers are just part of the hand. If someone can do PF so that his fingers don't move, his hand is in pieces. Here's a better explanation from a doctor no less. youtu.be/ndDCQpm0AVwYep, that's great comedy from Jeff Mann. Nothing to do with golf or understanding, but great comedy. Richie, I think you have to modify forum settings so that you manually accept all new members for a while and check that IP is not to the same rj uses or from the same area. That worked well in my forum and I got that guy out with all his nicknames by one move. In other case this will end same what he did to Ralph's forum
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Post by ericpaul2 on Aug 7, 2013 9:39:20 GMT -5
If I could make a few suggestions in hopes that it eases Richie's pain with dealing with this kind of thing in the future (because I truly appreciate his contributions and effort in bringing information to all of us).
If we disagree with another poster(s), try the following:
1. When writing a response, if the words "you" or any similar reference is made to the poster you are responding to, it is best to simply delete that entire sentence. It would be wise to consider that if any mention is made that the other individual doesn't know what they are talking about, the other person is much less likely to even consider an alternate point of view. 2. Consider strongly that we all may be incorrect at any time. Very, very smart people are wrong all the time. Einstein's theories and equations have been corrected and enhanced since he originally proposed them and that doesn't diminish his contribution nor does it make him any less remarkable. 3. Consider that very, very little of what we discuss and offer could be considered "science". What little actual science is done by true researchers follows the age-old trajectory of any science...hypothesis, test a very limited condition, evaluate, reformulate the hypothesis. In all sciences, research is often found to be faulty because of interactions and influences that were not considered when the "testing" was first envisioned, but that is the nature of the pursuit...small and incremental improvement. Expecting a nirvana moment is from testing of any kind is so rare as to be wholly unrealistic. 4. Consider that because of years of biases, we all feel and perceive and even see things differently. A photo may show one thing to one person and something else entirely to someone else. Even photographic "proof" is not failsafe. 5. Finally, consider that there are a great many folks with mental and developmental conditions that make empathy and social interaction difficult, but who find the internet a place where they can communicate freely. If a poster is not conversing reasonably and degrades to name-calling and insults, it's likely best to simply ignore that particular post...respond to what is reasonable and forget the rest.
This probably was a futile effort, but really, as with email, it's best to read what we write before hitting "post" and consider how it will be read in the worst possible interpretation because no amount of smiley faces or LOLs will convey the tone that a face to face conversation would.
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Post by golferwhoplays on Sept 3, 2013 5:30:34 GMT -5
Do any of these guys actually teach anyone who can hit it well, or hit it well themselves?
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Post by teeace on Sept 3, 2013 7:56:08 GMT -5
Do any of these guys actually teach anyone who can hit it well, or hit it well themselves? I do. Teach, not hit myself
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