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Post by cloran on Mar 19, 2010 7:32:28 GMT -5
There's a clubshaft in the face-on view? Where, lol?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 19, 2010 9:28:34 GMT -5
You wrote-: "There's a clubshaft in the face-on view? Where, lol?"
If you look carefully, you can see a black line crossing the white shoes of that official standing in the background. The clubhead is the grey blur at the farther end of the black line.
You are obviously not a user of a Swing Analyser program - you would then be well aware of the fact that a clubshaft can become blurred/indistinct on a swing video capture frame when it is traveling at high speed.
Jeff.
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Post by vjsinger on Mar 19, 2010 11:28:46 GMT -5
You are obviously not a user of a Swing Analyser program - you would then be well aware of the fact that a clubshaft can become blurred/indistinct on a swing video capture frame when it is traveling at high speed. Jeff. I don't see how half of Jeffs comments don't "break your rules" Richie? IMO, this dude insults half of the golf instructors that come on here and some that very rarely do, yet I don't see you call him out...What gives? I find him to be brash, arrogant and inconsiderate. I guess I broke a rule there, but I'm trying to understand why he is allowed to act this way and why he feels the need to use such tones with almost everyone? His comment above I find to be insulting and snooty.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 19, 2010 12:15:12 GMT -5
VJ
You consider me brash and arrogant. I agree! However, there is no law against being brashly over-confident regarding one's golf instructional opinions. 3jack may not approve of my brash opinions, but he wisely doesn't censor brash opinions that may have a strong likelihood of having a factual basis. By contrast, 3jack wisely censors frank "ad hominem" insults - like calling a forum member a "douche" - that are totally devoid of any golf instructional content.
Jeff.
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Post by nothere on Mar 19, 2010 14:58:09 GMT -5
You are obviously not a user of a Swing Analyser program - you would then be well aware of the fact that a clubshaft can become blurred/indistinct on a swing video capture frame when it is traveling at high speed. Jeff. I don't see how half of Jeffs comments don't "break your rules" Richie? IMO, this dude insults half of the golf instructors that come on here and some that very rarely do, yet I don't see you call him out...What gives? I find him to be brash, arrogant and inconsiderate. I guess I broke a rule there, but I'm trying to understand why he is allowed to act this way and why he feels the need to use such tones with almost everyone? His comment above I find to be insulting and snooty. If you find Jeff's comments insulting, you have thin skin. I for one find Jeff's comments interesting and done with a lot of thought. He doesn't just accept someone's statements but requires them to provide a little more. He like eveyone else can be right and can be wrong you can agree or disagree with him. Some of his stuff is thought provoking which is a good thing. I personally find some people like to attack others when their point of view isn't accepted. I remember Richie was attacked about using some putting charts by another instructor on a forum that you frequent. I think some of your anger towards Jeff is because of his differing views concerning another instructors views on another forum that he challenged recently concerning a video of how to use Trackman as a teaching aid. I believe your an apologist for that instructor I have seen some of your posts on that forum doing the same you accuse Jeff of doing. Please explain that contradiction. I have been a lurker on different forums and never joined one, finally decided to join Richie's forum as i like his style, and the substance of this forum. I think Jeff adds a lot to this forum and is one of the reasons i joined as he moves things along with his journey through the maze of golf info out there trying to find what's relevant and what's irrelevant. Thank's Richie and Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 19, 2010 15:23:21 GMT -5
I have no issues with Jeff's posts, though the comment about never using a swing program, true or not, was not needed to support this particular discussion.
I don't agree with everything he says, heck sometimes I don't understand some if it, but rarely do I feel like he is attacking me personally.
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Post by vjsinger on Mar 19, 2010 15:28:07 GMT -5
I'm not "angry" at Jeff. I just don't agree with how he "speaks" to people on the forum. He pissed off cloran and may scare future members away with his really long and aggressive posting, again my opinion. I personally think that it gets in the way of some people learning anything, I may be wrong, I certainly have been before and will be again. The problem is obviously mostly mine, as I guess Richie doesn't see it as I do, but it's not my site so whatever. I would like to see some consistency in enforcing rules that's all. If you're going to have rules, be consistent.
As for the other site: I have no ties, allegiances, or whatever to anyone on that site or any other site for that matter. The posts you are referring to is me having fun with a couple of people that take themselves too seriously and get their buttons pushed easily. I suspect they think the same of me and the neverending "games" and BS goes on and on over there. I've informed the site owner and instructor of my doings and he didn't say anything about. I don't do that nearly as much now so... now you know. Hope that helps.
BTW, I don't think Jeff is a bad guy or anything, I just think he gets a little too excited and may have way too much time on his hands.
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Post by nothere on Mar 19, 2010 15:28:59 GMT -5
I have no issues with Jeff's posts, though the comment about never using a swing program, true or not, was not needed to support this particular discussion. I don't agree with everything he says, heck sometimes I don't understand some if it, but rarely do I feel like he is attacking me personally. I agree and i also like your input to the forum i find it interesting and also thought provoking. Good stuff on this forum.
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Post by nothere on Mar 19, 2010 15:33:20 GMT -5
I'm not "angry" at Jeff. I just don't agree with how he "speaks" to people on the forum. He pissed off cloran and may scare future members away with his really long and aggressive posting, again my opinion. I personally think that it gets in the way of some people learning anything, I may be wrong, I certainly have been before and will be again. The problem is obviously mostly mine, as I guess Richie doesn't see it as I do, but it's not my site so whatever. I would like to see some consistency in enforcing rules that's all. If you're going to have rules, be consistent. As for the other site: I have no ties, allegiances, or whatever to anyone on that site or any other site for that matter. The posts you are referring to is me having fun with a couple of people that take themselves too seriously and get their buttons pushed easily. I suspect they think the same of me and the neverending "games" and BS goes on and on over there. I've informed the site owner and instructor of my doings and he didn't say anything about. I don't do that nearly as much now so... now you know. Hope that helps. BTW, I don't think Jeff is a bad guy or anything, I just think he gets a little too excited and may have way too much time on his hands. Okay well said and we can all be a little more tolerant of others opinions and just enjoy the dialogue.
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Post by cloran on Mar 19, 2010 15:35:36 GMT -5
I should not have called Jeff a vulgar name. I will now apologize publicly for that, and I will send Jeff a PM as well.
However, I felt he was talking down to me in his response and being a prideful person I lashed out.
It may be a thin skin, it may be pride; but I come here for discussion that is all. I will no longer add any opinions or comments to Jeff's threads. Taking me out of the equation will allow him to continue with his discussion without being sidetracked.
Cloran
Edit: I can't figure out how to send a PM so I hope my public apology will suffice.
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Post by nothere on Mar 19, 2010 15:43:07 GMT -5
I should not have called Jeff a vulgar name. I will now apologize publically for that, and I will send Jeff a PM as well. However, I felt he was talking down to me in his response and being a prideful person I lashed out. It may be a thin skin, it may be pride; but I come here for discussion that is all. I will no longer add any opinions or comments to Jeff's threads. Taking me out of the equation will allow him to continue with his discussion without being sidetracked. Cloran I don't think anyone wants you to stop making comments i don't think Jeff would want that , Jeff said he's a bit brash etc. just take it with a grain of salt, nothing personal, its all just discussion and opinions. Just a bump in the road. I'm sure Jeff can speak for himself and i'll leave it there.
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Post by cloran on Mar 19, 2010 15:49:44 GMT -5
I should not have called Jeff a vulgar name. I will now apologize publically for that, and I will send Jeff a PM as well. However, I felt he was talking down to me in his response and being a prideful person I lashed out. It may be a thin skin, it may be pride; but I come here for discussion that is all. I will no longer add any opinions or comments to Jeff's threads. Taking me out of the equation will allow him to continue with his discussion without being sidetracked. Cloran I don't think anyone wants you to stop making comments i don't think Jeff would want that , Jeff said he's a bit brash etc. just take it with a grain of salt, nothing personal, its all just discussion and opinions. Just a bump in the road. I made the comment that you can't see a shaft in the picture. Jeff's reply: You are obviously not a user of a Swing Analyser program - you would then be well aware of the fact that a clubshaft can become blurred/indistinct on a swing video capture frame when it is traveling at high speed. That IS personal, not opinion, nor condusive to a good discussion. It REEKS of passive aggression. I've apologized, made my feelings known (good, bad or otherwise) and now I'm done here. Why deal with the attitude?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 19, 2010 15:54:14 GMT -5
Cloran,
I publically apologize for talking down to you.
I must admit that my added comment about the "swing analyser program" was in response to your original post. You added a "LOL" at the end and I thought that you were deliberately mocking me, rather than asking me a legitimate question. I always try to answer genuine questions, but I become defensive when I think that people are not really interested in my opinions, but are more interested in making me appear to be foolish. I may have misinterpreted your "LOL" comment, and if I did, then I apologize for it.
Jeff.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 19, 2010 16:26:41 GMT -5
Well, that was a doozy. Today I got up at 8am, left at 8:50, drove an hour, then played golf.
So, I come back here and the first thing I see is that comment by cloran which I just deleted and that didn't make me happy at all. BUT, I was glad to see that cloran and Jeff acted like adults and apologized to each other. That actually really makes me happy because THAT is how you apologize. You say 'I apologize, I was wrong, what can I do to make it up to you?'
Very few people realize that is how you apologize these days, but good to see Jeff and Cloran still have that tact about them.
Remember, this is a gentleman's game and this board should act in the same fashion as well.
So again, kudos for Jeff and Cloran for acting like gentlemen.
As far as Jeff goes, I have modified a post of his in the past as I thought it was a shot at some of the Stack and Tilt people.
One member PM'd me yesterday and was worried about people who have their minds made up and won't budge. To me, that is not a big issue. I do like people who are steadfast in their beliefs. BUT, I don't like it when:
1. They are condescending in their tone 2. They use insults. 3. They don't back up their opinions with facts and/or somewhat reasonable logic. 4. They are being contrarians just for the sake of it and getting attention that apparently they lacked earlier in life. 5. When there is a undeniable FACT that goes against what they have been saying, they are unwilling to admit they were wrong.
Jeff and I disagree A LOT!
THAT IS A GREAT THING! It would get really boring if we all just agreed on everything or if people were easily persuaded on everything.
And as far as Anthony Kim goes, I tend to side with iteachgolf on this one. I think iteachgolf has presented his case with something that is more believable TO ME than Jeff.
However, we'll never quite know until AK is put on a Trackman. And if he were and the report says his plane line is out to the right, then Jeff would have to admit he was wrong. Conversely, if his plane line is not out to the right on Trackman, iteachgolf and myself would have to admit we are wrong.
Admitting you were wrong tells me more about your character than never admitting you are wrong or just avoiding that all together. And just because you admit you are wrong on a subject, DOES NOT KILL YOUR CREDIBILITY.
Anyway, I'd like to continue this discussion. Again...thanks to Cloran and Jeff for acting like gentlemen in this thread. I don't expect things to go on here without any issues. If there's ever a problem, just PM me and I'll investigate the matter.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 19, 2010 16:38:28 GMT -5
I have gotten very good at admitting I was wrong...particularly with my golf swing ( :
I can't tell on the 2D pictures on the plane issue, its very close and I can see it both ways. I know Kim really fights a hook and to me its likely he gets that plane to far out to the right and I presume has to save it.
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