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Post by gmbtempe on Oct 9, 2011 14:15:33 GMT -5
I know your were coming so I went out and made sure that God up there in the sky (if you believe in that sort of thing) brought you some good weather (like 20 degrees below normal, lie winter weather).
Will have to catch up with you since I probably have done lots of the things you tried.
Wrecking ball stuff worked picture wise for me but I could not make it happen on the course.
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Post by gmbtempe on Oct 9, 2011 16:19:33 GMT -5
Looks good
I like the alignment on the face on video, at impact its perfect and if you could swivel into a horizontal hinge I see very little breakdown, but there is just a tinge of hold off that creates a small small degree of breakdown.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 10, 2011 9:22:54 GMT -5
Hey, I recognize that driver. 3JACK
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Post by tightdraw on Oct 10, 2011 10:06:03 GMT -5
yep that's the driver. on the plane back east with the miracle of on board wi fi and the joy of being Delta Gold card. The best part of the latter is that I get one free bag -- so my golf clubs were somewhat less of a burden than they usually are :-) My golf game changed forever this weekend. I am convinced of that. The reason is that not only was I able to duplicate on Sunday what I did on Saturday, I was able to correct myself when the ball told me that something had gone wrong. And more importantly, I stepped up to every shot I took confident that I would hit it well. I didn't always of course, but that didn't faze me in the slightest. And I never wavered in that confidence. And I have a method of correction and a method for getting it back when I lose it. The pictures referred to above were taken on Saturday. I have the chip with all the pictures from Sunday and many from Saturday as well. When I have some free time upon my return i will post some here and on my youtube channel. I have no idea if any of this will make me a better golfer or lower my scores. I have been playing to a 5 all summer; but that's never been the point. What I discovered this weekend is what I have been searching for and that is the 'sound' of a well struck golf shot -- and pictures to confirm it. And of course a ball flight that told me everything i needed to know. It's as if I had never actually made contact with a golf ball before in the way you really are supposed to. One final thing for now. After lunch on Sunday and before I left to visit a friend in Phoenix, I took out the Edel putter and Denny put me on his Tomi device. And everything I bought the Edel for was confirmed. Five balls in a row on the sweetspot; nearly perfect arc, nearly perfect impact alignment, speed, tempo. you name it. A weekend of confirmation and discovery: Edel, science, Denny, MOG, and oh yeah, the driver Richie built for me I nearly forgot. I met David McDaniel (and several other of Denny's group) and watched him hit balls next to Denny's teaching station. David hits the ball SO well and so consistently that you cannot feel depressed by comparison. At least I could not. It was like listening to a Bethoveen symphony after banging away on your piano for a few hours. You just admire and recognize that you are playing different games. If anything, it allowed me to accept the boundaries of the possible for me and therefore to enjoy even more the joys of my own improvements. The guy is amazing to watch
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Post by tightdraw on Oct 10, 2011 19:51:47 GMT -5
ome pictures and some commentary. So what did I learn that I didn't know before? Answer: how to manage the weight. How did I manage the weight? It always felt like it was below my chest. Of course the clubhead can get above my chest, but the sensation is like that of a hammer throw or a wrecking ball. It stays down below the chest What else did I learn? how to grip the club Which is how? strong What is death to a golf swing? Lots of stuff; overcocking of the wrists; switching at any time the inside with the outside; fanning the club open -- and SO MUCH More. Any absolutes? Rhythm. Anything i missed all these years? Yep. free turn of the hips in both directions No swing, no up, and no wrist cock. The arms go up as a result of a heave or momentum going back; the wrist cocks as a result; and the club'swings' as a result of a motion of the body. Is this gospel? Of course not. Is a flat left wrist required? Not exactly, in that if this is what one aims for in the golf swing, one runs the risk of missing the forest for the trees. on the other hand, done right the motion will pretty much get you to a flat left wrist or something that varies from it by epsilon. after p6 more or less the club goes down through impact as the hands come up. knew that from the first time I spoke with Denny, but now I understand how it works in a 'swing' that is efficient. There is so much more, but I leave it to Denny to explain himself and his teaching. Here are the results in just a couple of days -- with the usual number of false starts -- and remember this is a guy who rolled and flipped for nearly fifty years and who most recently had his shoulders tense together at every impact and who lost his posture and stood up with every shot -- Between Saturday and Sunday I hit around 500 drives with four different drivers with fewer than 15 that would have been off a 30yd wide fairway. I stepped up and hit gap wedges, nine irons and an ocassional eight iron from three sets of clubs through hula hoops, at flags and every once in a while off the hosel as well. And for the first time in my memory, the practice swing without the ball and the swing with the ball in place were virtually identical. Next post will have my thoughts such as they are on axis tilt and when I have more nerve and confidence future posts on other swing theories that didn't click for me. Meanwhile I'm selling all my golf books and training aids on ebay; and putting cotton in my ears on the golf course and driving range. MOG is the real deal. I have no doubt. And Denny is more than a messenger; in my case, he's proven to be a magician. We Jews don't believe in miracles, but I'm beginning to wonder about that :-) Here are some vids available on you tube www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNhdKIw5oHkwww.youtube.com/watch?v=oCJtfk9GYekwww.youtube.com/watch?v=fKiVvbD6ztMwww.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbjAWA9sV0www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3L0pHzA-3Ywww.youtube.com/watch?v=V-LvHNKr8Fswww.youtube.com/watch?v=GLnrEhvgER0www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rME4IkItX4www.youtube.com/watch?v=lndbRc4mUqE
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Post by tightdraw on Oct 10, 2011 20:36:51 GMT -5
The first two are the before's. Here's what happened. i was hitting it great the last three plus hours on Saturday and was jazzed for Sunday. Instead, we began Sunday worrying about how I can find the sweetspot and knowing where the head is at all times. Then after that i tried to go back to where it ended yesterday and guess what, it wasn't quite there. and this meant a lot to me because it confirmed my fear that I didn't have it, but also that I knew how to get it back. and so we looked at those pictures and denny said, which training aid do you want to start with to find it again and I said 'none.' I can do it with just the little driver. I started by hitting ground ball drivers on the ground, then 20mph little drivers in rhythm until i could get it up to 65mph; then switched to my driver and the results are there.
TD
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Post by natep on Oct 10, 2011 21:11:02 GMT -5
Great stuff, thanks for posting your thoughts. One question, when you say "rhythm" do you mean HK's TGM definition of rhythm?
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Post by tightdraw on Oct 10, 2011 21:47:04 GMT -5
Thanks Nate Absolutely. In my previous life :-) when i got to the top of the BS, my transition featured my hips running away (forward) and my shoulders unwinding prematurely; you could say i had a body that moved too fast or arms that moved too slowly. in either case if you look at all the previous vids you will see that what happens is that the pivot stops -- the hips stop rotating to let the arms catch up and then don't move again until the arms drag the body around. that's why the shoulders scrunch, etc. so yes i definitely mean rhythm in the HK sense of having the arms and the body move at the same rate.
ONe other thing. When with denny i got on the Ben Doyle 'map' and traced it with the swing i was working on with Denny; and one thing was VERY clear. If you follow the Ben Doyle layout, your hands after impact go way left; and I never saw a Golfing Machine instructor -- including Ben and Lynn Blake to name two -- who rotate through and have their hands go lfet along the inside circle. The CF move and tracing the plane line is out to right or down the line. It is not to the inside. Can you imagine having your hands really go inside and horizontal hinging? The Ben Doyle map really invites teh idea of CP release. stand on it and you will see that clear as day. If anything the map more closely approximates the idea associated with Jim Hardy of the two circles and the TGM idea in conjunction with that of rhythm. It is no wonder that from the outset MOG has been a proponent of a CP/angle hinge release.
And BTW, I now fully agree with Richie that the alleged difficulty of a CP release is just that: an alleged difficulty. basic flexibility and athleticism is all that's needed
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Post by tightdraw on Oct 10, 2011 22:45:34 GMT -5
ok, i will wait two weeks, but upon returning to NYC i already went to Golfsmith to hit balls for fifteen minutes -- and no changes.
TD
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Post by tightdraw on Oct 10, 2011 23:01:51 GMT -5
by that i mean it was as good today as it was yesterday. i feel that it will always be. if i'm woong you all will be the first to know jules
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Post by tightdraw on Oct 12, 2011 10:44:47 GMT -5
did anyone notice that when taking golf lessons with Denny at his teaching station, one feels like one is playing against the backdrop of Sanford and Sons :-) Jules
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Post by natep on Oct 12, 2011 13:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by secondary on Oct 13, 2011 10:56:06 GMT -5
Yes Jules, and if you have ever seen Tin Cup you might end up feeling like that while taking a lesson as well!
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Post by tightdraw on Oct 23, 2011 13:40:06 GMT -5
two weeks in to the lessons from Denny and no complaints yet. still working on it of course. going to the gym every day working on the core and the forearms. Fewer chances to play golf than I would like. here are a few vids Also played a round of golf yesterday for the first time. Tough to play a full length course when you are just working on getting the motion and the structure right. Net effect was I actually played ok. Hit every fairway but one though my distance was obviously down as I never swung the club in a way that would risk getting out of the correct rhythm All in all I was satisfied with my play but certain that no one can really play and practice something new at the same time. once i get it down (if I do), I will go to adding distance five yards at a time.
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Post by anthony on Oct 26, 2011 7:23:22 GMT -5
Niccccceee !! Go get them tiger
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