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Post by Ben Hogan Swing Project on Dec 11, 2011 18:34:02 GMT -5
Whew......it's been a while since my last video. Been busy with kids, wife, business, and life. I'm still working on the takeaway/upswing in the early morning and late evening.
In this vid, I'm still focusing on the takeaway. It's getting more comfortable, but there are still a few areas of it that need tweeking. I have been out on the course a few times, and I am absolutely amazed at how the ball is flying off the club, and how it is sounding. I can hear the ball as it bullets away from the ground. Has a whir sound.
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Post by Ben Hogan Swing Project on Dec 11, 2011 18:34:50 GMT -5
I've been working on the DTL view for past couple of months. Now, ready to move on to my next camera angle. I will be doing EVERY camera angle of EVERY video I can get into my posession. That includes Down-the-line, Front-On, Rear, Overhead, Right-Front, Left Front, grid, etc.
Still focusing on the takeaway/upswing. As you saw in the DTL Take 9 swing, I was getting close, but when you see things from a different angle, such as in this elevated view of the Front-Right side, many flaws jump right out of the screen. This is expected, and will happen as I move on to other camera angles. Just part of the territory.
0:00 to 2:28 : is the initial recording; you can see that my right arm/elbow are doing some strange things, and my left arm isn't straight as it should be.
2:33 to 7:15: After about an hour of tweeking and retweeking, I was able to understand how to make the necessary changes that I was satisfied with for now. I understand what the movements feel like.....and what I feel is not real. Now I need to put in whatever amount of practices to further ingrain the feeling. The cool part about this is that I am still able to do my old swing movements. Kinda like if someone were learning a 2nd language.......they can speak the 2nd language fluently, but somehow their original language is still hiding in their throat lol.....
Other glaring issues:
- my impatient left knee
- my impatient hips
- my leaning head
- my low pants/belt buckle
- and another 25 issues that nobody else may see, but I do.
This is getting fun!!! On second thought, I'll probably be stuck working on this camera angle for a couple of months.........hmmmm...the fun just ended.
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Post by Ben Hogan Swing Project on Dec 11, 2011 18:35:39 GMT -5
One thing I am having difficulty with is my overly-muscular frame. I was heavy into competitive bodybuilding for many years, and packed on a solid muscular foundation. Grrrrrrrr! Too much chest mass! If the chest was flat and birdy, the left arm wouldn’t be so restricted. I can forsee this being a big problem when I get to the transition/downswing study. Left arm is going to be tough to drop down with a swollen, compressed pectoral standing in the way. Or maybe the left arm doesn’t drop straight down……we’ll see when I get to that phase.
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Post by Ben Hogan Swing Project on Dec 11, 2011 18:36:52 GMT -5
This vid is all about the right leg. I noticed something really different about it in all the past videos. Made a change; now, it feels like I am opening the right leg as the club comes down.
Also, major grip change. The left wrist now has left thumb going straight down the shaft at address, and the face of the club is VERY, VEEEEEERY open. So open, that I was afraid to swing, because I thought ball would go into the basement brick wall to the right. Took me about a week to get the guts to make a full swing, but when I finally did, contact was EXTRA solid. Wish I could try this new setup on the course!!
Regarding the transition, I know and understand what Hogan is doing, but I'm not focusing on it in this video.
One issue I'm having with the basement is that I am unable to make a full follow-thru because of club wanting to explode upwards as it comes out of my left shoulder. I'll deal with it till March.
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Post by Ben Hogan Swing Project on Dec 11, 2011 18:37:31 GMT -5
Experimenting with the transition. Why isn't the transition happining better? Because I am stinkin scared! I haven't gained enough confidence to turn my shoulders away from the ball as I should be. I'm turning maybe 75% worth, when it should be 100%. What is the fear?? Hard to explain, but the further I turn away from the ball, the more I think I won't be able to get back to it and square the face. With the face this open at address, it just doesn't seem like I will get it closed, and the ball will shoot rightwards, then ping-pong around my basement and clock me in the groin or eye! My mind knows this is just not true, but my mind and body still haven't become trusting friends yet. Then Kim will have another official "I told you so" moment, and yap yap yap about me hitting a ball in the house in the first place lol. Sooooooo, until I get enough courage to make a full shoulder turn, I will be a bit over-the-top as I come down.
How have I proven this fear theory? When there is no ball in front of me, I easily make a complete turn, and the transition looks goooooooood.
My plan was to work on the swing for a couple of months without a ball, but at the end of those two months, whenever I decided to put a ball in front of me, I would probably turn from tough manly-man, into fragile-flower-man. So I will keep the ball there..................for now.
0:00 5-iron DTL
0:25 5-iron FL
0:58 5-wood DTL
1:10 1-wood DTL
1:48 450cc Driver DTL (ball sitting on mat, no tee)
2:15 5-metal DTL
2:22 5-iron FL slow mo replay
2:48 5-iron DTL slow mo replay
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Post by Ben Hogan Swing Project on Dec 11, 2011 18:38:29 GMT -5
In this video, I was just playing around with a few things that felt nothing like a golf swing. During my analysis, I ran the slow-mo a few times just to see how ridiculous the swing looked, and was shocked to see that I was SOMEHOW getting close to the angle-hinged position. I WISH I KNEW HOW I WAS GETTING THERE!!!!!!!! It would be so helpful if I could just type exactly what I am doing, but I have no idea right now.
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Post by Ben Hogan Swing Project on Dec 11, 2011 18:39:39 GMT -5
A few vids that I use to get an understanding of the transition:
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Post by Ben Hogan Swing Project on Dec 11, 2011 18:40:14 GMT -5
Alright guys......sorry for all the back-to-back posts, but thats my entire swing journal to date. Now you know what I've been up to since about July.
I have an idea what is going on in the Hogan swing, but I haven't been able to train my body yet. Can't wait to get out of this basement and onto the course in March 2012!!
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Post by Ben Hogan Swing Project on Dec 11, 2011 19:10:33 GMT -5
And just a warning.........most of what I type is just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. It's not really worth reading at all. The only thing that is worth seeing is my "Take 1" video vs my "Take ??" video. The ?? being when I have finally gotten Hogan's aestethics figured out. My hope is that is is before Take 100!
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Post by cloran on Dec 12, 2011 9:51:48 GMT -5
cloran Why does golf improvement need to be about score? Why does your view of golf and goals have to be the forum standard? Why can't you just ignore this thread if it offends your sensibilities to such an extent? I'm beginning to believe that there are some folks in this forum just as narrow minded as the other forums some of you folks like to bash Ok, I'll bite... 1. I guess ones "improvement" can come in any form they define. Can you think of some other reasons? I can't. 2. Where did I say my view has to be the forum standard? Am I not entitled to my opinion regarding this thread? 3. Please... trust me, nothing has offended me in this thread, but the question isn't completely inappropriate. I'll answer with a question: Why should I have to? Why can't I post my opinion in a thread like this? Do I hit a nerve? I actually frequent this forum because I find it a fun place to discuss the golf swing, etc. I have a few questions of my own for you and Hoganproject. 1. Otto: Why do you feel the need to join only to defend Hoganproject? Have you participated in other discussions and offered constructive commentary? 2. Hoganproject: will you be joining the discussion board as a participatory member or simply to update his "journey?" I really don't care either way, I just want to know what to look out for. 3. Both: This has become the same EXACT thread that is on other websites... VERBATIM. Post-for-post... copy/paste. Why turn your "journey" into spam? Seriously. I am speaking for others here as well. 4. Hoganproject: Why not join the forum, participate, etc... then enlighten people with your attempt at copying Hogan? Also, why not start the thread under the "MY SWING" section? Wouldn't that be more appropriate? Vomiting your copy/pasta all over here is not the least bit enticing. |
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Post by Ben Hogan Swing Project on Dec 12, 2011 10:45:20 GMT -5
cloran Why does golf improvement need to be about score? Why does your view of golf and goals have to be the forum standard? Why can't you just ignore this thread if it offends your sensibilities to such an extent? I'm beginning to believe that there are some folks in this forum just as narrow minded as the other forums some of you folks like to bash Ok, I'll bite... 1. I guess ones "improvement" can come in any form they define. Can you think of some other reasons? I can't. 2. Where did I say my view has to be the forum standard? Am I not entitled to my opinion regarding this thread? 3. Please... trust me, nothing has offended me in this thread, but the question isn't completely inappropriate. I'll answer with a question: Why should I have to? Why can't I post my opinion in a thread like this? Do I hit a nerve? I actually frequent this forum because I find it a fun place to discuss the golf swing, etc. I have a few questions of my own for you and Hoganproject. 1. Otto: Why do you feel the need to join only to defend Hoganproject? Have you participated in other discussions and offered constructive commentary? 2. Hoganproject: will you be joining the discussion board as a participatory member or simply to update his "journey?" I really don't care either way, I just want to know what to look out for. 3. Both: This has become the same EXACT thread that is on other websites... VERBATIM. Post-for-post... copy/paste. Why turn your "journey" into spam? Seriously. I am speaking for others here as well. 4. Hoganproject: Why not join the forum, participate, etc... then enlighten people with your attempt at copying Hogan? Also, why not start the thread under the "MY SWING" section? Wouldn't that be more appropriate? Vomiting your copy/pasta all over here is not the least bit enticing. 2. To update my journey/progress/failures, and to discuss hogan style mechanics/dynamics. 3. I post and discuss only Hogan in as many forums as possible. I have found one guy that has done the same with the jack Nicklas swing, but no one yet doing hogan. Actually, I have found thousands that have read 5 lessons and are trying to apply it to their swing. I copied and pasted this part again cause i think you skipped reading it: "Alright guys......sorry for all the back-to-back posts, but thats my entire swing journal to date. Now you know what I've been up to since about July." Any golf forum I am on has my same swing journal. It's the same posting because my swing journal doesn't magically change from forum to forum. Hmmmmm, why am I explaining what a swing journal is lolol. I'm laughing so hard, I can barely type Lolololololol! 4. Lololo, once again, I am trying to enlighten people about my attempt at duplicating hogan, lol that's why I'm posting my sucky swing lol. Now where the heck is this "my swing" thread?  That's where a swing journal should be. Most of the other forums have this. I must have missed it. Is the admin able to move it there? |
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Post by cloran on Dec 12, 2011 11:54:30 GMT -5
Yeah, Richie can move it... it's two categories down from this one... "Help with Your Swing."
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Post by Richie3Jack on Dec 12, 2011 11:59:19 GMT -5
If you would like me to move this thread to the 'My Swing' folder, I can. I just thought that we could keep it here so people don't lose track of it. It's an interesting thread to say the least...
3JACK
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Post by otto6457 on Dec 12, 2011 12:17:20 GMT -5
Ok, I'll bite... 1. I guess ones "improvement" can come in any form they define. Can you think of some other reasons? I can't. Then why call out hoganproject for trying to improve in the way he wants? 2. Where did I say my view has to be the forum standard? Am I not entitled to my opinion regarding this thread? Certainly you're entitled to your opinion. But you took hoganproject to task because it seemed you didn't approve of attempt to emulate Hogan. Clearly you find his journey less useful than the journey of others that post in this forum. Your questions made that fact abundantly clear. 3. Please... trust me, nothing has offended me in this thread, but the question isn't completely inappropriate. I'll answer with a question: Why should I have to? Why can't I post my opinion in a thread like this? Do I hit a nerve? Your opinion is just that. Your opinion. Questioning the motives of another member of the forum is rather pompous. You aren't a moderator and hoganproject hasn't broken any rules. He sounds genuinely excited by his journey and he wants to share that excitement with others. The only "nerve" you hit with me was the one that hates to see one person critique another's joy at what they are doing. I actually frequent this forum because I find it a fun place to discuss the golf swing, etc. I have a few questions of my own for you and Hoganproject. 1. Otto: Why do you feel the need to join only to defend Hoganproject? Have you participated in other discussions and offered constructive commentary? I didn't defend hoganproject. I explained why he came here after his thread was deleted at Manzella's. I then asked you why you felt that hoganproject needed to post in a manner that suited your opinion of golf improvement. It was clear by your questions that you didn't approve of his journey or that he posted his story here. It's obvious that you still don't like it which is quite perplexing since his journey to mimic Hogan has zero effect on you or your golf game. Apparently the idea of hoganproject cluttering up the forum with what he finds interesting and meaningful bothered you to the extent that you felt the need to call him out and probe his motives. As for your question concerning my participation in this forum; it is just beginning since I have just recently joined. I will strive in the future to meet your standards for posting constructive comments. Possibly you could point me towards a FAQ where I can better learn the ways of this forum and to be a better member. Hopefully, you will continue to judge my contributions, and if I'm lucky, I can receive some sort of award from you and bask in the glow of knowing that my participation has met your critical standards of content and relevance. Thanks for making me feel so welcome. |
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Post by jeffy on Dec 12, 2011 12:23:11 GMT -5
In this video, I was just playing around with a few things that felt nothing like a golf swing. During my analysis, I ran the slow-mo a few times just to see how ridiculous the swing looked, and was shocked to see that I was SOMEHOW getting close to the angle-hinged position. I WISH I KNEW HOW I WAS GETTING THERE!!!!!!!! It would be so helpful if I could just type exactly what I am doing, but I have no idea right now. hogan- From this angle, two things jump out. First, Hogan has much more lateral bend of the right side in the transition and downswing, which makes his right shoulder drop faster than yours without going "over the top". He also has more lumbar lordosis: your butt is a little tucked under and the lower back rounded, Hogan's butt sticks up a little more and you can see the little curve at the base of the spine. Also (third thing, I guess), your head is staying too high in the downswing. Jeff |
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That's where a swing journal should be. Most of the other forums have this. I must have missed it. Is the admin able to move it there?
