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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 6, 2012 18:41:42 GMT -5
WOW!!!!!!! The putter and wedges are simply incredible and so far ahead of everything else that it's cheating!
PUTTER:
I started off with my 35" Rife Putter (mallet head) and tried to line up my face perpendicular to the ball (i.e., square) and had the face lasered. The dot was 2* left and up.
There are so many variables that go into play with our vision in trying to line up a putter that I was shocked how a small change could affect my lineup. For example, slight onset helps me see the putter being square and I need a closed face putter to set it down square. The fitter took off an inch to get me over the ball more so I didn't line it left as well. The biggest change after that was I went with one site line and still was a little left. Using three site lines fixed that. The fact that the site lines themselves changed my face angle blew me out of the water. The fitter then showed me how the tiniest change can throw off our putter a degree or two. I never knew the putter was that sensitive.
If you play golf you need to get one of these putters. The fitting took a little over an hour and I suspect it's rare that someone gets fitted in less than 45 minutes. There are a lot of moving parts to get right.
WEDGES -
You know instantly what wedge fits your grind. I fit into a driver wedge with 21* bounce (I think) for the 60* wedge. I now feel like I can hit flop shots off the putting green WITHOUT taking a divot. I really saw a difference in my "divot" pattern with the soft pitch shots. I didn't really have a divot. For my full shots I still had a decent divot. I can lay my 56* wedge with the face up to the sky FLAT ON THE GROUND and hit flop shots with ease! I almost wonder if I need my 60, but I got one anyway. These wedges also imporved my sand play. I suspect the trailing edge relief and bounce near the leading edge is what makes the Edel wedges so special. Most wedges have the bounce near the trailing edge which screws people up.
The shafts themselves were also a surprise. I could easily see the ballflight change depending upon the shaft. I like the KBS shaft the best. The DG caused the ball to be too low.
I now have a 52* wedge that I can play bump and run without divots. I can't wait to use this club.
More than one person who has first hit their proper Edel wedge holes the shot. This didn't happen to me, but it almost happened with the 52* wedge shot on a bump and run. I now feel like I can shoot and flags and not care about where I miss the ball (within reason).
It's a toss up on what would improve your game more. These clubs aren't cheap, but worth every penny.
My fitting was at Congressional Country Club and that place is beautiful. Any club that I can't afford is where I want to be!!!!
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Post by cloran on Apr 6, 2012 19:53:08 GMT -5
Sounds like a good experience for sure... congrats.
21* of bounce on a 60* wedge SOUNDS insane. I think the classic Ping Eye 2 Lob wedge has 18*, and I thought THAT was a lot. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Edel bounce theory. From what I gather, they found that too many players would hang back on wedge shots and skull the ball with wedges that had too much bounce, so they went to lower bounce... but Edel "prefers" the player to keep their weight on the front foot and when doing so with wedges that have too little bounce the clubhead digs too much...
So, is it really necessary or just a different way of accomplishing the same thing?
EDIT: Not trying to shit in your soup, lol... sorry... just curious is all.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 6, 2012 20:05:51 GMT -5
The problem with Ping Eye 2 bounce angles is that the actual grind didn't make it condusive to hit off tight lies. That's why Cleveland became so popular, they great wedges with less bounce in their 588 line and the grinds were designed to hit a greater variety of shots. They old Hogan 'Sure Out' wedges have a ton of bounce to, but if you had to hit a bunker blast from a bunker that got washed out from the previous night's rain...you were screwed.
Eventually, wedges started to get less and less bounce. Then recently they got more bounce, but for the most part, no more than 14* and they all have pretty much 1 out of 2 grinds. With Edel there's a variety of different grinds and bounce angles and you can better find the best combination for you.
3JACK
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 7, 2012 7:06:07 GMT -5
The key is the grind and where one puts the bounce. The Edel has the bounce near the leading edge and significant trailing edge relief. These wedges will be copied soon since they're that much better.
I wonder if manufacturers put the bounce on the trailing edge for flippers? No wonder I couldn't hit 30-60 yards off soft turf. My wedge grind and bounce was for tight lies only.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 7, 2012 7:08:19 GMT -5
Sounds like a good experience for sure... congrats. 21* of bounce on a 60* wedge SOUNDS insane. I think the classic Ping Eye 2 Lob wedge has 18*, and I thought THAT was a lot. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Edel bounce theory. From what I gather, they found that too many players would hang back on wedge shots and skull the ball with wedges that had too much bounce, so they went to lower bounce... but Edel "prefers" the player to keep their weight on the front foot and when doing so with wedges that have too little bounce the clubhead digs too much... So, is it really necessary or just a different way of accomplishing the same thing? EDIT: Not trying to shit in your soup, lol... sorry... just curious is all. If you're afraid to dig because of the fat shot, you'll flip and skull. I can dig all I want. No more kinematic sequence crap for me. Changes my game forever.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 7, 2012 17:25:59 GMT -5
Here are the static bounce angles
60 - 22* 56 - 18* 52 - 12*
The bounce/grind configuration are completely different than the typical wedge that has the bounce near the trailing edge. I suspect someone will copy this bounce/grind very soon.
I suspect I can lay the 52* wedge with the back of the club flat on the ground. I can easily do it for the 60* and 56* wedge.
I'm not practising with my wedges until I get my Edels in two weeks. I'm done putting with a putter that throws me off to the left. I had no chance of ever making a straight putt. I don't deny that you can putt with a non-Edel putter. But why make it harder on yourself?
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Post by iacas on Apr 7, 2012 17:41:50 GMT -5
I have a 60/22, 54/17, and a 48/14 coming. I think that's what it is, anyway. I have a set of irons coming with a 9I with 11 degrees of bounce and one degree less for each iron on down through to the 3I. REALLY looking forward to those too.
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Post by cloran on Apr 7, 2012 19:51:01 GMT -5
"I had no chance of ever making a straight putt"
You don't REALLY believe that, do you?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 7, 2012 22:15:34 GMT -5
The thing with the Edel putters is that before what happens is you usually make a compensation for your inaccurate aim. So if you had a left aim bias, you tend to 'push' it out towards the target. Right aim bias has a tendency to force the golfer to cut across.
So if you really want to make major improvements to your putting, you probably need to work on your stroke a bit to expurgate that compensation out of your putting stroke. But with the Edel putters, you can now aim accurately and I think it helps make eliminating that compensation.
3JACK
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 8, 2012 7:49:58 GMT -5
"I had no chance of ever making a straight putt" You don't REALLY believe that, do you? Not literally, but very close. It's shocking how far your aim is off by how te putter is designed. I've always been a good putter, but certain putts gave me fits and now I have an why. This doesn't guarantee I make every putt, but one or two more per round is huge for me. Throw in one or two strokes saved with better wedges is also huge.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 8, 2012 7:51:11 GMT -5
I have a 60/22, 54/17, and a 48/14 coming. I think that's what it is, anyway. I have a set of irons coming with a 9I with 11 degrees of bounce and one degree less for each iron on down through to the 3I. REALLY looking forward to those too. Please post some pictures of your irons! I'm a convert. Why a 48* wedge by Edel? Better bump and run shots around the green??
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Post by iacas on Apr 8, 2012 8:26:21 GMT -5
Please post some pictures of your irons! I'm a convert. Why a 48* wedge by Edel? Better bump and run shots around the green?? Mine are coming in the forged heads with "IACAS" on the high toe in a raw blue (the gunmetal style) finish. I'm getting only "1" and "2" and "3" on the toes to mark the clubs and no paint fill anywhere. Lie angle is a degree flat, KBS C Taper shafts, and I'll put my own grips on (PURE). I'm a Driver - I've just lived with the "heavy" feeling that the proper shaft lean has gotten me all these years. I find that better players tend to just live with it because they're NOT going to fall back and flip to try to expose bounce. We'll of course be doing wedge fittings in addition to our putter fittings. Looking forward to it, and we're going to mess around with using Trackman to help with the fittings as well. Why a 48? Because I don't like to play the 48 from my set of irons. It might mostly be a "mentality" thing, but when I have a wedge in my hands I like it to look like a wedge. It puts me in more of an "attack" or "scoring" mentality than looking down and seeing an iron (I think you know what I mean). I use my 54 95% of the time around the greens. The lob wedge is most of the rest of the 5%. I almost never use another club for pitching or chipping.
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Post by kamandi on Apr 8, 2012 10:11:11 GMT -5
The problem with Ping Eye 2 bounce angles is that the actual grind didn't make it condusive to hit off tight lies. That's why Cleveland became so popular, they great wedges with less bounce in their 588 line and the grinds were designed to hit a greater variety of shots. They old Hogan 'Sure Out' wedges have a ton of bounce to, but if you had to hit a bunker blast from a bunker that got washed out from the previous night's rain...you were screwed. Eventually, wedges started to get less and less bounce. Then recently they got more bounce, but for the most part, no more than 14* and they all have pretty much 1 out of 2 grinds. With Edel there's a variety of different grinds and bounce angles and you can better find the best combination for you. 3JACK Regarding the old Hogan Sure-Out, it had a lot of bounce, but the design was such that you can lay it out on the ground almost like a wedge that has no bounce. I believe the Alien wedge copied this design. On more vs. less bounce, I believe Mickelson said he uses more bounce, in one of those youtube vids of his teaching the pitch. I notice more bounce on the wedge gives you more bite, so that you're not too dependent on the life of the grooves than you are on the shape of the head.
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Post by iacas on Apr 8, 2012 10:30:01 GMT -5
I notice more bounce on the wedge gives you more bite, so that you're not too dependent on the life of the grooves than you are on the shape of the head. I don't think that "more bounce gives you more bite." More bounce may allow a golfer to deliver a steeper AoA or something, but I don't think the bounce itself has any effect on the "bite."
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 8, 2012 17:21:28 GMT -5
Given my recent putter fitting and now understanding how many variables are in play with face alignment, why would tour players not use an Edel???
The OEMs don't have a putrer fitting system.
I'm beginning to agree with Richie about the tour players being behind (sometimes). They get the best shafts first.
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