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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 10, 2012 8:22:26 GMT -5
iacas -
Thanks. The system is awesome and I hope you sell a ton! I suspect Vokey and everyone else will copy real soon. I'm amazed it took this long for someone to figure out to shave the trailing edge and put the bounce near the leading edge. It makes a world of difference for people that want to drive or dig with these clubs. All I ever had was a killed leading edge to save me and on wet fairways forget it.
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Post by rohlio on Apr 10, 2012 12:27:21 GMT -5
Feel ain't real. Phil also thinks he "hinges and holds" on that shot when he clearly doesn't, and he clearly lets the shaft pass his lead arm very quickly around/after impact. So are you saying that Phil Mickelson is wrong in believing that the bounce makes the ball pop-up? Yes he is wrong. the bounce keeps the head from digging into the ground...the Angle of the face at impact is what causes the ball to pop up. How insane would it be if you had to try to drop kick your wedge into the ball to hit a high shot?
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 10, 2012 12:29:26 GMT -5
Well said rohlio! I'm tired of hearing the "kick into the ball" comment. The center of gravity is so far behind the leading edge, and the room for a strike between the ball and the ground, that the "drop kick" shot is very, very hard to execute let alone play it as a strategy.
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Post by iacas on Apr 10, 2012 12:50:09 GMT -5
Just FYI, no wedges today. They didn't put them in with the fitting system.
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Post by jeffy on Apr 10, 2012 18:33:41 GMT -5
Are those the forged in brushed raw, or the cast in the standard brushed back, sand blasted face and polished sole??? Gotta schedule a visit to Mike Adams at Hamilton Farm soon! Just ten minutes from my club. Jeff
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Post by jeffy on Apr 10, 2012 18:36:32 GMT -5
Just FYI, no wedges today. They didn't put them in with the fitting system. How about the irons??? Any pics of those??? And, what about the punch-dot face? Is that just with the irons or is it an option with the wedges as well? Jeff
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Post by iacas on Apr 10, 2012 19:48:30 GMT -5
Are those the forged in brushed raw, or the cast in the standard brushed back, sand blasted face and polished sole??? Mike got the cast ones. So did Dave. I have the forged in black coming. Some day...
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Post by playa on Apr 11, 2012 7:01:46 GMT -5
How about having a real golfer play the game for you guys?
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Post by cloran on Apr 11, 2012 7:13:40 GMT -5
How about having a real golfer play the game for you guys? huh???
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Post by iacas on Apr 11, 2012 8:04:39 GMT -5
How about having a real golfer play the game for you guys? Yeah, uh, what?
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 11, 2012 8:20:25 GMT -5
A real golfer gets the best equipment to suit his game!
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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 11, 2012 9:46:57 GMT -5
I don't get the statement either. Having Edel wedges won't make me a good wedge player. It's a much better tool than I have been playing with, but you still need to have the skills to be good with it.
3JACK
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Post by jeffy on Apr 11, 2012 11:58:22 GMT -5
How about having a real golfer play the game for you guys? Yeah! Ban the sand wedge and go back to the guttie, or why not the featherie???
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Post by kamandi on Apr 11, 2012 16:04:21 GMT -5
So are you saying that Phil Mickelson is wrong in believing that the bounce makes the ball pop-up? Yes he is wrong. the bounce keeps the head from digging into the ground...the Angle of the face at impact is what causes the ball to pop up. How insane would it be if you had to try to drop kick your wedge into the ball to hit a high shot? Drop kick? No. Slide under and let the bounce do the work, yes. It's like with a bunker shot, without the sand. It's not uncommon to use the trailing part of a clubhead to affect how you hit the ball. In Shawn Clement's style of hitting fairway woods by skimming the ground before the ball, he says that what skims is the back part of the wood's clubhead. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss wedge wisdom from maybe the most imaginative wedge player in the world. That, and as we've all noticed, some previously dismissed approaches or thinking in golf are lately being proven right.
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Post by rohlio on Apr 11, 2012 21:34:29 GMT -5
Drop kick? No. Slide under and let the bounce do the work, yes. It's like with a bunker shot, without the sand. It's not uncommon to use the trailing part of a clubhead to affect how you hit the ball. In Shawn Clement's style of hitting fairway woods by skimming the ground before the ball, he says that what skims is the back part of the wood's clubhead. Exactly SLIDE under...not bounce up into the ball. I hit that shot all the time and if you would like I will put it on video to prove it. You use the bounce to keep the leading edge from digging and stopping, by laying the face open to expose the bounce angle on the sole. On hard turf the clubhead can indeed bounce up when you smack the flange onto the ground, in fact that is why it is called "Bounce angle", but if you execute the shot correctly the ball is long gone before the club head bounces up. Even if it did influence it you are talking about a net vertical force that is so low compared to the force of the deflected forward velocity of the clubhead as to be laughable. Anybody who has played out of bunkers in Hawaii can tell you what happens when your wedge does bounce up from the ground because you went in too far behind the ball into hardpack, you blade it ( which is why I never blast out of bankers on the islands and just play regular pitches). I use the trailing part of my wedge all the time and its ground interaction. Sometimes I even intentionally use the feeling that Phil is talking about. The reason that shot comes off so high is because when you open the face and slide under it you are getting an effective loft of like 80* (the angle of deflection is why you need to swing so hard to make it go anywhere), not because of added vertical force from the head rebounding up into the ball.
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