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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 23, 2012 20:39:55 GMT -5
These wedges are amazing. You can hit flop shots off of the fringe without taking divots. I suspect you could also do it of of green with some practice. Mine should arrive any day now.
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Post by iacas on Apr 23, 2012 20:58:49 GMT -5
These wedges are amazing. You can hit flop shots off of the fringe without taking divots. I suspect you could also do it of of green with some practice. Mine should arrive any day now. We do that from time to time. Shhhhh. Don't tell anyone.
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Post by cloran on Apr 23, 2012 22:36:46 GMT -5
I like the number system... cool touch.
They look so beefy from the back, but razor thin in that toe pic.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 24, 2012 7:47:47 GMT -5
My only problem with the Edel wedges is that I hit them too well. They get thru the bermuda grass a lot easier than I'm used to. I started to take one less club on some pitches and chips.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Apr 24, 2012 8:41:17 GMT -5
My only problem with the Edel wedges is that I hit them too well. They get thru the bermuda grass a lot easier than I'm used to. I started to take one less club on some pitches and chips. 3JACK What's your opinion as to why that happens? I'm thinking that because the flange is thinner where the effective bounce is on square shots... thinner hosel... and large heel/toe/rear flange relief. I made a "Cloran-grind" wedge about a year ago. I think I posted pics here, can't remember. I was practicing short pitch shots a lot using a 60/14 that had a fairly wide flange. I kept bouncing the leading edge into the ball, especially off tight lies and hardpan. I figured that I'd better remove some of that bounce, but ultimately I probably needed (and eventually succeeded in) remove the width of the effective bounce. I burned through a few stone grinders with my dremel, and I ended up taking off a ton of metal on the heel/toe/rear flange area. I dropped the bounce to something MUCH less than 14*. Looking at the face from the front the leading edge went from straight to convex. In order to get the heel relief I wanted I needed to attack the hosel as well. In the end the hosel looked "sharp" on the leading side, very thin. (If memory serves I had to add about 30g-40g of tape to the back of the head, lol) Result: That thing was like a razor going through grass and sand. Serisously, like a friggin' knife. I should still have that head somewhere... maybe I was onto something. Gimme' a call Mr. Edel. I'm available for custom grind work!
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 24, 2012 9:13:51 GMT -5
cloran -
I'm not aware of any other wedges that have the bounce near the leading edge like the Edel wedges. I believe it's apples and oranges to compare an Edel wedge to anything else because most "bounce" on wedges such as Vokey is near the trailing edge. Not sure if you can grind a wedge into an Edel wedge unless you had a block of iron from the start.
I understand what Richie's saying. There's less resistence with these wedge and the ground and therefore, more energy is transferred into the ball.
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Post by cloran on Apr 24, 2012 10:22:53 GMT -5
cloran - I'm not aware of any other wedges that have the bounce near the leading edge like the Edel wedges. I believe it's apples and oranges to compare an Edel wedge to anything else because most "bounce" on wedges such as Vokey is near the trailing edge. Not sure if you can grind a wedge into an Edel wedge unless you had a block of iron from the start. I understand what Richie's saying. There's less resistence with these wedge and the ground and therefore, more energy is transferred into the ball. All wedges (with bounce) have it at the leading edge... bounce is the angle measurement that starts at the leading edge. Whether the bottom side of that angle is 3mm long or 50ft long, the angle is still the same. You can have a wedge with 14* of bounce, remove the metal from the rear of the sole/toe/heel, and still have 14* of bounce... the effective bounce would be lower when the face is opened, but the bounce is still 14* for that wedge. Now, if a manufacturer wants to start describing their wedges as: 14* when square, 4* when opened 45* to the target line, and 8* when opened 25* to the target line... well, that's another story.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 24, 2012 10:41:01 GMT -5
cloran -
I'm not sure if I agree with you that all wedges have the bounce "at the leading edge," but I do agree that the measurement starts from the leading edge. Also, there's a big difference between static bounce and effective bounce. Most wedges have their bounce near the trailing edge even if the sole width is short. Not sure of a wedge, other than an Edel, with massive trailing edge relief and a high static bounce.
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Post by cloran on Apr 24, 2012 10:54:27 GMT -5
cloran - I'm not sure if I agree with you that all wedges have the bounce "at the leading edge," but I do agree that the measurement starts from the leading edge. Also, there's a big difference between static bounce and effective bounce. Most wedges have their bounce near the trailing edge even if the sole width is short. Not sure of a wedge, other than an Edel, with massive trailing edge relief and a high static bounce. JP wedges do... kidding kidding! I agree with you, maybe I'm just being picky with phrasing. While the bounce angle does not change the effective bounce will increase as the sole widens (all other things being equal. Where I differ in thinking is in regards to my previous homemade example (where I was not trying to make an Edel... I had not even seen one at that time). An Edel wedge is a wide flanged/ high bounce wedge that has significant heel/toe/and mid relief. There's no other way to do it. If there is I'd love to know (srs).
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Post by cloran on Apr 24, 2012 11:06:27 GMT -5
From Scratch:
Bounce is one of the most important terms when it comes to understanding the sole grind of an iron or wedge.
The simple definition of "Bounce" is : The angle formed by the difference in height between the Leading Edge and Trailing Edge of a golf club.
This measurement is called "Static Bounce". The problem with Static Bounce is that there is no consistent way to measure it. When you have a wedge with any kind of relief or camber on it you can measure the Static Bounce any number of different ways which creates great inconsistency across the industry. It also ignores the other key components of the playability of the sole grind which include Sole Width, Camber, Relief and Leading Edge Height.
When you take these 5 key components of the sole grind (Static Bounce, Sole Width, Camber, Relief and Leading Edge Height) and put them together you get what we refer to as “Playable Bounce”. Playable Bounce measures the way the wedge will actually play on the golf course in the players hands instead of only giving you part of the picture. All Scratch Golf Bounce measurements are in Playable Bounce to help the player more easily understand the specs of each of our grinds.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 26, 2012 19:32:26 GMT -5
Here are two videos where I'm using my new 60* driver wedge from Edel off fringe and a putting green. Absolutely no divot and I tried to drive my hands forward and the club down. These weren't big swings, but, if I did this with my normal 60 degree wedge it would dig.
The only problem I've noticed is that I have a tendency to not engage the bounce by keeping my hands ahead and sometimes I skull a shot. This has to come from years of playing with crappy wedges and poor form. I can now keep my hands ahead and NOT dig. I had the KBS Hi Rev shaft. Gets the ball up really high which is what I like. I gain 10 yards easily with my 56*. I don't have to slam the club into the ground to make it go. Better energy transfer.
I suspect the Edel irons could be incredible and it might be easier to swing without worrying about slaming the clubs into the ground.
I didn't have my Casio and will use that tomorrow for some video:
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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 26, 2012 19:56:38 GMT -5
shorts and a golf shirt for me today 3JACK
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Post by 94monarch on Apr 26, 2012 20:28:26 GMT -5
Nice videos CWD. However I recognize that putting green....seems eerily similar to the one right outside my office. We will discuss your chipping off it tomorrow around 12:20.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 27, 2012 2:36:40 GMT -5
I used a green screen to make it look that way! Just get those tournament pins ready. It's called a practice green for a reason!!!
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Post by jeffy on Apr 27, 2012 16:49:02 GMT -5
Any pics yet of the irons?
Jeff
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