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Post by golfdad on Jan 15, 2012 17:13:46 GMT -5
Don't know enough, but I see better spinal line (less hump) and more dynamic hip motion, possibly from the left leg ER.
Any difference in terms of ball striking ,etc?
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 15, 2012 17:19:25 GMT -5
Don't know enough, but I see better spinal line (less hump) and more dynamic hip motion, possibly from the left leg ER. Any difference in terms of ball striking ,etc? I worked for 2 hours yesterday and I would say it took a good 1.5 hours just to get some of the new mechanics down. I had some trouble controlling the low point and face angle so plenty of mishits with the irons. I don't think some of these spinal moves and moves with the lower body are something that I can pick up without real effort. I definitely hit the ball further. That lil wedge shot went 125 yards with a gap wedge. No kool aid here, not any "i tried the new release and hit the ball the best I ever have" stuff, its a process. Best line in TGM, among a few is The Three Imperatives and Essentials operate to correct faulty procedures, so if they seem to elusive it is invariably because you are trying to execute them while you hit the ball – in your accustomed manner. That must all be reversed. Learn to do something Learn to do those things even if you miss the ball – until you no longer miss it. There is no successful alternative
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Post by pavaveda on Jan 15, 2012 17:23:41 GMT -5
Greg, I'm interested to know why you were working on these mechanics with a wedge. Are you really looking to hit your wedges further?
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 15, 2012 17:34:18 GMT -5
Greg, I'm interested to know why you were working on these mechanics with a wedge. Are you really looking to hit your wedges further? lol I usually work on new stuff with a shorter club, usually a 9 iron, the wedge just happened to be a solid swing at the end I had on tape. I would be cool hitting all my clubs further. I was looking for the motion more than the club, if that makes sense.
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Post by pavaveda on Jan 15, 2012 17:41:38 GMT -5
It does make sense, but I also feel that because of the balance of the club, it could potentially be detrimental to practice more powerful moves with a wedge.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 15, 2012 17:45:21 GMT -5
It does make sense, but I also feel that because of the balance of the club, it could potentially be detrimental to practice more powerful moves with a wedge. K, will keep that in mind. Here is another thing, I must have been using different muscles than normal because my lats and gluts are friggen sore like I was lifting weights after a layoff.
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Post by pavaveda on Jan 15, 2012 17:51:51 GMT -5
It does make sense, but I also feel that because of the balance of the club, it could potentially be detrimental to practice more powerful moves with a wedge. K, will keep that in mind. I mean, you can do whatever you want. I wasn't really trying to give you any advice, so I apologize if it came off like that. I was just commenting that I feel that there's such a hugh difference in the club make-up between a wedge and driver, and I'm not sold that they require the same mechanics on a regular basis. Of course, if you need to hit your putter 300 yards, and if you have the power swing in your bag of tricks, you can pull it out! Not surprised, your "after" swings look a lot more dynamic!
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Post by jeffy on Jan 15, 2012 18:01:06 GMT -5
You can see a little more squat though and rotation, it was not like I was trying to do it but it was a product of some of the other movements I was doing.
I had exactly the same experience. Never happened before.
Whats interesting is I am always trying to get a better P6 position using my hands and arms and such, never could, yet I only worked on pivot and shoulder movements yesterday and my hands got more forward.
Same, same. Your release can change (for the better) just by changing the body rotation. That's why I said in the Thompson thread that I'm not so sure that "learning" a new release is that hard if it comes automatically with changes in body movements.
Looks great!
Jeff
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Post by cloran on Jan 15, 2012 18:07:07 GMT -5
Why JB Holmes as the model? Maybe because he was longest on tour last year? Thanks Greg for posting that. Very interesting, and it'll be interesting to see what progressions or digressions you make if you continue down this road. He had a cluhead speed of +125mph. Can't teach that. That considered... He finished DEAD LAST for PGA Tour Missed Fairway % in 2011. (The percentage of time a tee shot missed the fairway and ended in a location other than fairway or rough.) ... and 182/185 in driving accuracy... Not a model I'd want to emulate.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 15, 2012 18:13:10 GMT -5
Maybe because he was longest on tour last year? Thanks Greg for posting that. Very interesting, and it'll be interesting to see what progressions or digressions you make if you continue down this road. He had a cluhead speed of +125mph. Can't teach that. That considered... He finished DEAD LAST for PGA Tour Missed Fairway % in 2011. (The percentage of time a tee shot missed the fairway and ended in a location other than fairway or rough.) ... and 182/185 in driving accuracy... Not a model I'd want to emulate. I think part of it is he swing so much up on it, touch to control that way in my book. I will tell Kelvin to use Dustin instead ( :
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 15, 2012 18:53:29 GMT -5
Thanks to Kelvin and Greg for posting this here.
3JACK
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Post by jeffy on Jan 15, 2012 18:54:35 GMT -5
He had a cluhead speed of +125mph. Can't teach that. That considered... He finished DEAD LAST for PGA Tour Missed Fairway % in 2011. (The percentage of time a tee shot missed the fairway and ended in a location other than fairway or rough.) ... and 182/185 in driving accuracy... Not a model I'd want to emulate. I think part of it is he swing so much up on it, touch to control that way in my book. I will tell Kelvin to use Dustin instead ( : greg- All the bombers miss a bunch of fairways: it's partially a function of how long they hit it. The question is: by how much do they miss? Can't really tell by the PGA Tour Driving Accuracy stats. The guys in yellow are all in the top 30 driving distance in 2011. 147th Dustin averaged 8 fairways (assuming 4 par threes) while 185th Derek Lamely hit 7 on average. Not a huge difference, depending, again, on how big the misses are. Fortunately, Richie has the answer in his Advanced Total Driving stat that takes into account how big the misses were. JB ranks 27th vs. World Number 1 Luke Donald at 132. Sure, Dustin is 7th and Bubba is 9th, but you look more like JB. Stick with it. Jeff
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Post by privateparts on Jan 16, 2012 11:15:58 GMT -5
greg....looks to me like neither one of your shoulders move toward the plane line anywhere in any of these swings....in the backswing the left shoulder retracts from the plane line...all that stuff about your right arm position...I think your wedges look good...but when you pull your head up and away from the plane line on the backswing it makes the right forearm align vertical to the ground...that ain't something you are doing with your arms....that's due to that pull away move IMO....I wish my wedge alignments looked as nice as yours....you basically make a somewhat similar move on the downstroke...note your right shoulder...it's moving all most COMPLETELY vertical...there is no OUTWARD ....AND VERY LITTLE FORWARD....watch the video....it is NEVER MOVING OUT...just hanging back and moving down...no wonder you were hitting it not solid...you wedge alignments are too freakin' good not to hit the ball well....all that lodorsis or whatever...fair enough....but if you don't get your right shoulder moving OUT AND FORWARD...your gonna have issues finding the ball....
if you had some kinda eye hook type deal you could stick in the ground and run a jump rope through it and pull the rope kinda like making a backstroke/downstroke...your left shoulder would move down AND OUT on the backsiwng and the right shoulder would move down AND OUT on the thru swing....or you could get in your address posture with no club and actually "swing freestyle" toward the ball....reach down and out in both directions....
check this lugnut out at about the 1:20 mark...reach down and OUT for the plane line with your shoulders...
here's another dingleberry demoing with are reservoir tip...
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 16, 2012 11:52:54 GMT -5
greg.... Bucket, you definitely are someone who I listen to more than most, way back 30 months ago when I first started posting. So you talk and I listen. The right shoulder won't move out for me unless I fake it. Why, can't figure it out, its like it just not happening. Another teacher and friend showed me this position, and I Kelvin mentions it in his video review. Its in a position where else can the right shoulder go but down? So I know it needs to go out, but is it possible because the position I am in for it to go out? You mentioned both shoulders, I do not understand what you mean by the left? Thanks, always had pretty good wedges, just gets a little low? So the opposite should be head move down and forward to the plane line. I only see a real lifting at the very end, flexibility, maybe you see it from the get go? I have other swings where I go more down, what about this? Would you say same, or better? I know its disgusting, and I don't mean that sarcastically, it makes me ill. I hate it. Though its a lil better than a couples years back, my path has gone from +20 to +5 ;D I see it, aint no one been able to fix it. Lets be fair here I was working on new things. If we wanna just drop some balls and hit I can hit it solid. If I was rich and I would pay a lot of money to the person who could figure that one out. I can do it in a fake non golf swing kinda of way but I don't ever hit the ball solid. So maybe this tied back to my first question, left shoulder is going down but not "out" on backswing. Rich, totally appreciate your time. I have a friend I play with, we compete both about 5 handicaps or so, he just hits it. He can't stand listening to me talk about the swing. He says, just hit it, you hit the ball better when you just hit it. I say yea but I aint gonna hit it any better than that if I just hit it. Whats the fun in that, just hitting it? I have a warped mind.
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Post by privateparts on Jan 16, 2012 13:00:14 GMT -5
Greg....not criticizing....just telling you what I see....I think you have worked HARD at and have made some really nice changes obviously.....and some great results....
Do that swimming deal in the mirror...you'll feel it .... get in your "golf posture" and really do it....reach and stretch for the plane line...at the ball....then when you do the thru stroke part experiment with reaching "farther down plane in front of the ball"...
on the backstroke you pull your head up and away....so you've lost your waist bend....so therefore your right shoulder has ALOT more distance to cover to get OUT ENOUGH....If you cleaned up the backswing it would make the downswing easier for you....less ground to make up....
Remember on Lynnard's site you said you couldn't steepen out your shoulder turn....you get it plenty steep on the backstroke....you can do it....for sure man....just get away from the golf club...isolate the motion....you can make it happen...you are a hard worker.
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