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Post by teeace on Jan 13, 2013 15:30:05 GMT -5
rj, I think teeace must have felt so very wronged by the dismissive attitude of Bman that he regards the situation/Bman hopeless, that teeace is not interested in offering any helpful suggestions or insights even though he is in position to do so. I can understand where teeace is coming from because I also detest people who are intellectually dishonest. We can safely assume their relationship is colder than lukewarm What's that got to do with what I asked? I'm not Manzella. Is an explanation not forth coming because Tapio has hurt feelings? Sounds kinda lame. Can Tapio help us out here and explain the flaws in the J.S. data. Some of us have a hard time sifting through all these graphs and knowing what we are actually looking at. Thanks in advance. The problem is that I don't know you. Only few posts and you can be CW or someone connected to Manzella. So I don't want to give any information to him after what he has done. In few months he will come out with many things I told him in his forum... and as his own findings of course, like he was showing that Palmarflexion closing the face in his video... the same thing he called me an idiot when I said it. So if one thinks a bit and look those graphs, he will see it if he is at least a bit clever. I leave it up to you or you can contact me by your own name in Skype. Here... nope.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 13, 2013 15:32:32 GMT -5
I think cwdlaw's poetic reference that trade wind shall cease in Hawaii is poetic but a lame attempt to attack Kelvin or his work. It is my opinion Kelvin's work is very significant and contributes a great deal to the knowledge of golf learning. It is why since the past year or so Bman's forum has changed dramatically to find every opportunity to counter what Kelvin has to offer. Why? Because a better understanding of the golf swing offered by Kelvin hurts businesses that are built on hype and hacks. To pin Kelvin/ Jeffy down on the presence or absence of acceleration through hip rotation is childish and stupid. It is like focusing a sesame when missing the entire watermelon I have reviewed all of Bman's tapes. I challenge anyone who has done so to show me anywhere where Bman devotes much time or teaching on the motion of the lower half of the body. Bman's thesis boils down to upper body compensation moves for the elderly Tell that to Kelvin since he's the one who came up with the goofy multi firing theory based upon Jamie's pelvis not slowing down on video. He basically parrots TGM (which is significant) and has developed nothing new. Even Jeff Mann takes his spine comments to threads along with the "figure it out" drive hold look. If you want to break 90 he might be very good to learn from. He is a nobody in the golf science world because all he does is tell everyone about a look. People should listen to Jeff Mann if they want a TGM explanation of the drive/hold release. Kelvin will leave you guessing.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 13, 2013 15:33:30 GMT -5
Tapio -
You gave Brian NOTHING. He banned you because of your nonsense. Jeffy and Jeff Mann basicalky called you an idiot as well with your goofy pronation/supination nonsense that you won't let go of.
I post under my own name.
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Post by rj on Jan 13, 2013 15:35:16 GMT -5
Really Tapio? That's lame!
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Post by rj on Jan 13, 2013 15:38:24 GMT -5
It's only golf folks....yikes!
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Post by playa on Jan 13, 2013 15:51:15 GMT -5
I think cwdlaw's poetic reference that trade wind shall cease in Hawaii is poetic but a lame attempt to attack Kelvin or his work. It is my opinion Kelvin's work is very significant and contributes a great deal to the knowledge of golf learning. It is why since the past year or so Bman's forum has changed dramatically to find every opportunity to counter what Kelvin has to offer. Why? Because a better understanding of the golf swing offered by Kelvin hurts businesses that are built on hype and hacks. To pin Kelvin/ Jeffy down on the presence or absence of acceleration through hip rotation is childish and stupid. It is like focusing a sesame when missing the entire watermelon I have reviewed all of Bman's tapes. I challenge anyone who has done so to show me anywhere where Bman devotes much time or teaching on the motion of the lower half of the body. Bman's thesis boils down to upper body compensation moves for the elderly Tell that to Kelvin since he's the one who came up with the goofy multi firing theory based upon Jamie's pelvis not slowing down on video. He basically parrots TGM (which is significant) and has developed nothing new. Even Jeff Mann takes his spine comments to threads along with the "figure it out" drive hold look. If you want to break 90 he might be very good to learn from. He is a nobody in the golf science world because all he does is tell everyone about a look. People should listen to Jeff Mann if they want a TGM explanation of the drive/hold release. Kelvin will leave you guessing. In my opinion, what Kelvin and Jeffy promote is continued acceleration EFFORT of the hip rotation. They do not want purposeful bracing or stalling, which, as you know, are actually taught by some at this juncture. I think Kelvin either made the mistake or gave the wrong impression that empirically the hip actually accelerates through the impact. With naked eyes looking at slow mo swing sequences it is easy to be mislead into thinking that acceleration is maintained. If he erred on this point, it is not a big deal at all because his work is in fact on teaching the golfer to accelerate through hip rotation, NOT looking at slo mo swings and compare numbers. I think this is the exact point where the Bman camp (you as a fellow camper going up the ranks rather rapidly I take and I speak with envy) makes a big fuss about. The Bman camp devotes threads after threads on this narrow and pointless issue, just to ridicule Kelvin and Jeffy and therefore discard the ENTIRE body of work by Kelvin. With Kelvin's model, a continued effort in hip rotation through impact will minimize wrist involvement and promote more solid impact. It clearly provides the road map for a swing that is less timing and talent dependent. Many golfers are currently enjoying improved impact control after switching to Kelvin's approach. Until Kelvin came to the scene, Bman is 100% focused on the upper body and 0% focused on the lower body. I am not exaggerating. It is only recently that Bman starts to go downward to catch the trend! I can see it coming: soon what Kelvin is teaching will become more mainstream and you will see Bman talking about it in Golf magazine as his own work, that he has been teaching it from day one
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Post by playa on Jan 13, 2013 15:57:02 GMT -5
It's only golf folks....yikes! It is also about integrity and character.
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Post by teeace on Jan 13, 2013 16:17:41 GMT -5
Tapio - You gave Brian NOTHING. He banned you because of your nonsense. Jeffy and Jeff Mann basicalky called you an idiot as well with your goofy pronation/supination nonsense that you won't let go of. I post under my own name. That's total bullshit once more. But what else to expect from someone who can't read. The truth is that I explained for example their "great finding" that hands move away from the target at transition. They found it and made absolutely idiotic assumptions about that.. just because the have never seen a circle ;D And many many other things like how bowing the wrist closes the face. The case why he banned me.... and then used it in his own video bit later. You can think what would happen if I still post there and see that video?? How to escape from that? No way, but it's great for him there is people like you
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Post by playa on Jan 13, 2013 16:30:34 GMT -5
So good artists borrow, great scam artists steal?
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Post by rj on Jan 13, 2013 16:51:27 GMT -5
It's only golf folks....yikes! It is also about integrity and character. I'm not interested in your pissing match with Manzella so don't waste your time trying to involve me in it. Why are you even responding to my posts about J.S.'s data with your agenda against Manzella? Ask some golf related questions and you get this garbage spewed all over. Is there a moderator around here to deal with this?
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Post by jeffy on Jan 13, 2013 16:57:23 GMT -5
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 13, 2013 17:25:23 GMT -5
Tell that to Kelvin since he's the one who came up with the goofy multi firing theory based upon Jamie's pelvis not slowing down on video. He basically parrots TGM (which is significant) and has developed nothing new. Even Jeff Mann takes his spine comments to threads along with the "figure it out" drive hold look. If you want to break 90 he might be very good to learn from. He is a nobody in the golf science world because all he does is tell everyone about a look. People should listen to Jeff Mann if they want a TGM explanation of the drive/hold release. Kelvin will leave you guessing. In my opinion, what Kelvin and Jeffy promote is continued acceleration EFFORT of the hip rotation. They do not want purposeful bracing or stalling, which, as you know, are actually taught by some at this juncture. I think Kelvin either made the mistake or gave the wrong impression that empirically the hip actually accelerates through the impact. With naked eyes looking at slow mo swing sequences it is easy to be mislead into thinking that acceleration is maintained. If he erred on this point, it is not a big deal at all because his work is in fact on teaching the golfer to accelerate through hip rotation, NOT looking at slo mo swings and compare numbers. I think this is the exact point where the Bman camp (you as a fellow camper going up the ranks rather rapidly I take and I speak with envy) makes a big fuss about. The Bman camp devotes threads after threads on this narrow and pointless issue, just to ridicule Kelvin and Jeffy and therefore discard the ENTIRE body of work by Kelvin. With Kelvin's model, a continued effort in hip rotation through impact will minimize wrist involvement and promote more solid impact. It clearly provides the road map for a swing that is less timing and talent dependent. Many golfers are currently enjoying improved impact control after switching to Kelvin's approach. Until Kelvin came to the scene, Bman is 100% focused on the upper body and 0% focused on the lower body. I am not exaggerating. It is only recently that Bman starts to go downward to catch the trend! I can see it coming: soon what Kelvin is teaching will become more mainstream and you will see Bman talking about it in Golf magazine as his own work, that he has been teaching it from day one How can that be when Kelvin asserts the kinematic sequences is wrong but Brian believes the theory has merit? Two totally different worldviews about sequencing. What is coming to the forefront is the AMM3D information, not Kelvin's stenosis. Brian has known about this information for years and certainly doesn't need Kelvin. Jeff Mann is shedding some light on why Kelvin's spinal claims are wrong from a biomechanical standpoint. Although Mann is a broken record with his flat left wrist and flying wedge, he knows more than the average bloke about anatomy. Kelvin ever talk about ballflight and impact correlation? NOPE and he still doesn't. Brian was the first to get this information out to the masses (not the first to have it, but disseminate the information in a way that people could understand).
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 13, 2013 17:28:18 GMT -5
Tapio - You gave Brian NOTHING. He banned you because of your nonsense. Jeffy and Jeff Mann basicalky called you an idiot as well with your goofy pronation/supination nonsense that you won't let go of. I post under my own name. That's total bullshit once more. But what else to expect from someone who can't read. The truth is that I explained for example their "great finding" that hands move away from the target at transition. They found it and made absolutely idiotic assumptions about that.. just because the have never seen a circle ;D And many many other things like how bowing the wrist closes the face. The case why he banned me.... and then used it in his own video bit later. You can think what would happen if I still post there and see that video?? How to escape from that? No way, but it's great for him there is people like you You are such a narcissit. The clubhead is an elipse near impact, not a circle. If you knew what you were talking about you wouldn't make such monumental errors. Nesbit is the one referencing the torques, not you. You really should stop everything you're doing and get your machine to market. You are being lapped in knowledge and sales.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 13, 2013 17:32:07 GMT -5
This is called whipped cream on shit. Jeffy just can't accept the fact that the data shows Kelvin's continuous acceleration (has nothing to do with just effort their playa, but real acceleration) theory is wrong. What does Jeffy do? Create some ridiculous filtering theory. Of course, there's no filtering problem with Jeffy extrapolating information from video or with Tapio's machine that has yet to make it to market.
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Post by jeffy on Jan 13, 2013 17:38:21 GMT -5
This is called whipped cream on shit. Jeffy just can't accept the fact that the data shows Kelvin's continuous acceleration (has nothing to do with just effort their playa, but real acceleration) theory is wrong. What does Jeffy do? Create some ridiculous filtering theory. Of course, there's no filtering problem with Jeffy extrapolating information from video or with Tapio's machine that has yet to make it to market. Nope, it's called the blatantly obvious truth. Cheetham's presentation is crap and his own data shows it. Sorry, I know you must have been SOOOOOOO excited. BTW, how do you think I know about quantization noise and filtering digitized data? What do you think we've been doing since the Research-a-thon ended? Go talk to a scientist, he'll explain it.
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