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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 13, 2013 17:45:07 GMT -5
Jeffy -
At least you admit that you aren't a scientist. Don't forget you're the one that claimed Jamie's hips accelerated at 500* before impact and 600* after impact in your thread. Continuous acceleration is just crap and you know it. I have no idea what your quacks have been doing since the research a thon. Certainly not research that will ever be published to the scientific community.
Kelvin should come up with something new rather than knocking off TGM. Jeff Mann wipes the floor with your nonsense.
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Post by rj on Jan 13, 2013 17:46:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't this fellow Cheetam know all about this smoothing etc. Is he not a scientist? If so he must be able to explain it also and know how it affects his data...no?
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Post by playa on Jan 13, 2013 17:46:08 GMT -5
It is also about integrity and character. I'm not interested in your pissing match with Manzella so don't waste your time trying to involve me in it. Why are you even responding to my posts about J.S.'s data with your agenda against Manzella? Ask some golf related questions and you get this garbage spewed all over. Is there a moderator around here to deal with this? um, I started this thread that you are posting on and I have no intention, zero intention to sing to the praise of BMan. I aim to expose the lack of integrity and lack of character of BMan by enlisting a recent example. teeace has kindly asked you to PM him. Calling him lame for not doing what you want is actually pretty lame. PM him or start a different thread and grow up!
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 13, 2013 17:49:28 GMT -5
What is lame is Tapio posting like he has all of the answers that only he can know and then claiming that everyone else should be able to figure it out. How can we figure out what only he allegedly knows!
Brian has a lack of integrity in refuting their claims? Wow. I guess truth should be ignored and Jeffy's constant attacks are praiseworthy. Don't forget, Jeffy has only ever had 45 minutes of one on one personal instruction with Brian in his life and yet he's on a crusade against him. That's insane. Jeffy has also been through most of the top instructors with his crusade. I give Kelvin another year or two and there will be another one to replace him.
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Post by jeffy on Jan 13, 2013 17:50:22 GMT -5
Wouldn't this fellow Cheetam know all about this smoothing etc. Is he not a scientist? If so he must be able to explain it also and know how it affects his data...no? Well, he ain't a PhD and none of his degrees involve signal processing... philcheetham.com/phils-bioIt's crap. Just look at it!
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Post by rj on Jan 13, 2013 17:50:51 GMT -5
J.S hips accelerate faster after impact? How is that possible in laymans terms would be appreciated? What's the cause of this acceleration after impact, more effort or easy than pour it on after the ball is struck, seems a bit strange.
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Post by playa on Jan 13, 2013 17:51:54 GMT -5
[/quote] How can that be when Kelvin asserts the kinematic sequences is wrong but Brian believes the theory has merit? Two totally different worldviews about sequencing. What is coming to the forefront is the AMM3D information, not Kelvin's stenosis. Brian has known about this information for years and certainly doesn't need Kelvin. Jeff Mann is shedding some light on why Kelvin's spinal claims are wrong from a biomechanical standpoint. Although Mann is a broken record with his flat left wrist and flying wedge, he knows more than the average bloke about anatomy. Kelvin ever talk about ballflight and impact correlation? NOPE and he still doesn't. Brian was the first to get this information out to the masses (not the first to have it, but disseminate the information in a way that people could understand).[/quote] You indicate that BMan knew about "this information" for years. Not from what I gather. As I said, BMan's focus has been entirely on the upper body compensation moves, thus alpha, beta, gamma, etc He used to call flexion..."bending this way" on his videos, like a country counsin. Based on that alone, it is a hard salel that BMan knew everything presented by Kelvin. Tell you what, I do give you this: IF Kelvin knew just 1% of how to market a product like BMan does, many golfers will benefit sooner. The dude is too hang loose...
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Post by jeffy on Jan 13, 2013 17:52:31 GMT -5
J.S hips accelerate faster after impact? How is that possible in laymans terms would be appreciated? What's the cause of this acceleration after impact, more effort or easy than pour it on after the ball is struck, seems a bit strange. Who said that?
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 13, 2013 17:56:41 GMT -5
Kelvin didn't invent biomechanics or anatomy. The fact that Brian now communicates more precisely doesn't mean he used anything from Kelvin. It means he want to be more precise. It's a communication style and sometimes extension/flexion aren't useful for students.
Don't forget, Kelvin is the one claiming continuous acceleration and his only evidence was deductive reasoning from video that Jamie's hips constantly accelerate. His claims are bogus as evidenced by AMM3D. Now Jeffy must prove that AMM3D is wrong to save his daddy. No surprise.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 13, 2013 17:57:30 GMT -5
J.S hips accelerate faster after impact? How is that possible in laymans terms would be appreciated? What's the cause of this acceleration after impact, more effort or easy than pour it on after the ball is struck, seems a bit strange. Who said that? You did buckwheat. Post number 25 in your prior thread on this topic in November. 600 is more than 500 if you use simple math. Jeffy's own words: "Depth of field and parallax issues don't factor at all into these simple facts: at the top of the backswing, Sadlowski's hips are at least 50 degrees shut. 17 frames later, the hips are square. That is a rate of rotation of about 530 degrees per second. At impact, 18 frames later, the hips are at least 60 degrees open, a rate of rotation of 600 degrees per second, 13% higher. Is that consistent with a theory that states rotation peaks at hips square and decelerates rapidly after that? No. Falsified." Post number 25: jeffygolf.com/showthread.php?518-....to-impact/page2You even touted Tapio's graphs as proof the hips keep accelerating.
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Post by playa on Jan 13, 2013 17:59:14 GMT -5
Kelvin didn't invent biomechanics or anatomy. The fact that Brian now communicates more precisely doesn't mean he used anything from Kelvin. It means he want to be more precise. It's a communication style and sometimes extension/flexion aren't useful for students. Don't forget, Kelvin is the one claiming continuous acceleration and his only evidence was deductive reasoning from video that Jamie's hips constantly accelerate. His claims are bogus as evidenced by AMM3D. Now Jeffy must prove that AMM3D is wrong to save his daddy. No surprise. As I said earlier, I am not going into that narrow nitpicking because it is not a factor that negatively reflects the entire body of work done by K so far. On the other hand, also as I said earlier, BMan's whole existence has changed dramatically. Now he lives to combat K night and day. I wonder why.
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Post by rj on Jan 13, 2013 17:59:24 GMT -5
I'm not interested in your pissing match with Manzella so don't waste your time trying to involve me in it. Why are you even responding to my posts about J.S.'s data with your agenda against Manzella? Ask some golf related questions and you get this garbage spewed all over. Is there a moderator around here to deal with this? um, I started this thread that you are posting on and I have no intention, zero intention to sing to the praise of BMan. I aim to expose the lack of integrity and lack of character of BMan by enlisting a recent example. teeace has kindly asked you to PM him. Calling him lame for not doing what you want is actually pretty lame. PM him or start a different thread and grow up! I think he said Skype him, but I doubt that's needed on a simple answer to a simple question. I could care less if you started this thread it has nothing to do with my question, are you in charge of every poster here and what golf related questions they ask? Is this your forum? Is this your forum for your hate agenda? Is this the aim of this golf forum to allow you to turn it into your private hate forum. What makes you the judge and jury? Maybe you can start your own forum and call it Dave Petterson of Florida who lives with his 89 yr. old mom in an apt. hates Brian Manzella golf forum.
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Post by jeffy on Jan 13, 2013 18:02:42 GMT -5
You did buckwheat. Post number 25 in your prior thread on this topic in November. 600 is more than 500 if you use simple math. Jeffy's own words: "Depth of field and parallax issues don't factor at all into these simple facts: at the top of the backswing, Sadlowski's hips are at least 50 degrees shut. 17 frames later, the hips are square. That is a rate of rotation of about 530 degrees per second. At impact, 18 frames later, the hips are at least 60 degrees open, a rate of rotation of 600 degrees per second, 13% higher. Is that consistent with a theory that states rotation peaks at hips square and decelerates rapidly after that? No. Falsified." Post number 25: jeffygolf.com/showthread.php?518-....to-impact/page2You even touted Tapio's graphs as proof the hips keep accelerating. You can't even read!!! LOL!
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 13, 2013 18:02:58 GMT -5
Kelvin didn't invent biomechanics or anatomy. The fact that Brian now communicates more precisely doesn't mean he used anything from Kelvin. It means he want to be more precise. It's a communication style and sometimes extension/flexion aren't useful for students. Don't forget, Kelvin is the one claiming continuous acceleration and his only evidence was deductive reasoning from video that Jamie's hips constantly accelerate. His claims are bogus as evidenced by AMM3D. Now Jeffy must prove that AMM3D is wrong to save his daddy. No surprise. As I said earlier, I am not going into that narrow nitpicking because it is not a factor that negatively reflects the entire body of work done by K so far. On the other hand, also as I said earlier, BMan's whole existence has changed dramatically. Now he lives to combat K night and day. I wonder why. I think you have it backwards. Brian already made it as an instructor, Kelvin hasn't. I'm not sure anyone on tour has ever heard of Kelvin. Plenty have heard of, and consult with, Brian.
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Post by rj on Jan 13, 2013 18:03:18 GMT -5
Kelvin didn't invent biomechanics or anatomy. The fact that Brian now communicates more precisely doesn't mean he used anything from Kelvin. It means he want to be more precise. It's a communication style and sometimes extension/flexion aren't useful for students. Don't forget, Kelvin is the one claiming continuous acceleration and his only evidence was deductive reasoning from video that Jamie's hips constantly accelerate. His claims are bogus as evidenced by AMM3D. Now Jeffy must prove that AMM3D is wrong to save his daddy. No surprise. As I said earlier, I am not going into that narrow nitpicking because it is not a factor that negatively reflects the entire body of work done by K so far. On the other hand, also as I said earlier, BMan's whole existence has changed dramatically. Now he lives to combat K night and day. I wonder why. Maybe it's because guy's like you keep hating on him and it's a defensive response.... ya think?
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