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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 25, 2013 16:56:26 GMT -5
Tapio -
Richie already told you once today to stop the stupid references.. I ask you to stay away and you won't honor that request. Are you stalking me or something? I want nothing to do with you and if you think my claims are stupid keep your comments to yourself. You are unable to communicate with me except in an antagonistic manner.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 25, 2013 17:48:33 GMT -5
Tapio, next time you're going to be banned.
I've given you repeated chances.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Jan 25, 2013 18:37:48 GMT -5
I'll say this about BM... At least he defends his position HIMSELF and admits when he is wrong. He'll make videos defending his positions and actually EXPLAIN his point of view for everyone to see.
Is KM mute or just camera shy?What topic are you interested in? Kelvin has 309 videos uploaded. Manzella? 96. www.youtube.com/user/speedchain111Also, Kelvin writes detailed articles that explain everything in detail. Where's Manzella's article archive? www.aroundhawaii.com/speed_training.htmlHas KM ever taken criticism (or a question) from someone online and then made a video to answer the criticism/question directly to that person? All I keep hearing is "the answer is in an article from 2011..." and even then the response is from Jeffy, never KM. I always thought that was strange.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 25, 2013 19:28:20 GMT -5
Cloran he did for me. His write ups are very detailed, much better than a post. I don't blame him for not getting too involved on these boards, ya sorta can't win.
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Post by chicagogolfcoach on Jan 25, 2013 19:40:04 GMT -5
He has always replied to my emails within the day, at times within an hour. Any question I asked he answered. You have to remember he is in way different time zone. Also jeffygolf site is Jeffs site not created or used as a marketing tool for Kelvin, his articles do that for him
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Post by jeffy on Jan 25, 2013 19:55:48 GMT -5
Has KM ever taken criticism (or a question) from someone online and then made a video to answer the criticism/question directly to that person?
All I keep hearing is "the answer is in an article from 2011..." and even then the response is from Jeffy, never KM. I always thought that was strange. Yes, several times. Tapio got a couple video responses as did Manzella, and he has responded to forum member requests as well. Most of those I have archived here, but I need to update the list: jeffygolf.com/forumdisplay.php?14-Kelvin-s-videosIn addition to the videos and on-line responses to members of my forum, Kelvin responds to comments on his articles and to his YouTube videos. What he has published is many multiples of Manzella, or just about anyone else. Open your eyes.
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Post by cloran on Jan 25, 2013 20:00:07 GMT -5
He has always replied to my emails within the day, at times within an hour. Any question I asked he answered. You have to remember he is in way different time zone. Also jeffygolf site is Jeffs site not created or used as a marketing tool for Kelvin, his articles do that for him Seriously? Come on... Jeffy's site is set up to praise only KM and bash the competition, period. If I was KM I would ask Jeffy to change his ways, or stop altogether. He really puts KM in a bad light. Jeffy acts like the swing theory version of Thomas Huxley... without all the proof.
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Post by teeace on Jan 25, 2013 23:12:40 GMT -5
Tapio, next time you're going to be banned. I've given you repeated chances. 3JACK Richie, I didn't call anyone stupid. I said the statement was stupid as it was. Not personal and can say also the same about many of my comments during the years without thinking I'm stupid Edit: I found you already modified my post there using another word. I try to learn to use that in the future if I just learn to spell it renon....erno...eronaou.... damn... I will get it.. New word for me
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Post by jeffy on Jan 25, 2013 23:37:04 GMT -5
He has always replied to my emails within the day, at times within an hour. Any question I asked he answered. You have to remember he is in way different time zone. Also jeffygolf site is Jeffs site not created or used as a marketing tool for Kelvin, his articles do that for him Seriously? Come on... Jeffy's site is set up to praise only KM and bash the competition, period. If I was KM I would ask Jeffy to change his ways, or stop altogether. He really puts KM in a bad light. Jeffy acts like the swing theory version of Thomas Huxley... without all the proof. Come on, yourself. Manzella isn't the "competition": he is widely regarded as the biggest buffoon in golf instruction, the "Joe Biden" of the industry. The two appeal to totally different markets (and guess which one you're in!). For "golf theory" "proof", just take a look at these threads; if you don't understand them, maybe art or some other "scientist" can explain it to you... jeffygolf.com/showthread.php?546-Fun-with-binomial-probability!!! jeffygolf.com/showthread.php?163-Another-mediocre-ballstriker-as-swing-model-Great
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Post by teeace on Jan 26, 2013 1:02:58 GMT -5
Jeffy's site is set up to praise only KM and bash the competition, period. . We all know that this is as far from the truth that anything can be. We know why he made that forum and that got nothing to do with praising Kelvin. Period.
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Post by golfer12 on Jan 26, 2013 2:45:52 GMT -5
I would bet KM is far superior intellectually to Manzella, and proves this by not getting into pissing competitions with him. IMO nothing comes close to KM's insights and research into the golf swing. I wonder how many people at Manzella's have actually taken the time to read KM's articles? I bet not many.
Like Jeffy said where's Manzella's articles?
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Post by wesleywillis on Jan 26, 2013 4:47:12 GMT -5
Kelvin's articles and videos are very dull and seem to require an interpreter. I have an easier time reading Jeff Mann's material.
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Post by cloran on Jan 26, 2013 8:09:53 GMT -5
Seriously? Come on... Jeffy's site is set up to praise only KM and bash the competition, period. If I was KM I would ask Jeffy to change his ways, or stop altogether. He really puts KM in a bad light. Jeffy acts like the swing theory version of Thomas Huxley... without all the proof. Come on, yourself. Manzella isn't the "competition": he is widely regarded as the biggest buffoon in golf instruction, the "Joe Biden" of the industry. The two appeal to totally different markets (and guess which one you're in!). For "golf theory" "proof", just take a look at these threads; if you don't understand them, maybe art or some other "scientist" can explain it to you... jeffygolf.com/showthread.php?546-Fun-with-binomial-probability!!! jeffygolf.com/showthread.php?163-Another-mediocre-ballstriker-as-swing-model-GreatWhy so condescending and confrontational? What are the two mutually exclusive markets they each appeal to exactly? Both instructors teach average golfers, correct? BMan also teaches tour pros... does KM? Other han that I don't see a difference. ALL I see is you being an absolute prick to anyone that has a differing view. ----------------- IN ALL SINCERITY--------- Kelvin... Where are you? Why do you continue to allow Jeffy to speak in your name? As a third party observer, with no horse in the race (despite what Jeffy might twist things to be), your credibility is dropping... and has been since Jeffy started his site. If I were new to the scene and wanted info on you I'd find nothing but hate and verbal abuse... ALL IN YOUR NAME!!!! There is literally NOTHING on that site that would make a golfer WANT to work with you. Why would a golfer want to be brought into that world? I have to assume that your silence on the matter means you APPROVE of the way Jeffy supports you. Is that the case?
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Post by playa on Jan 26, 2013 8:14:46 GMT -5
On a spectrum of paranoia, we all have our own different assessment which is fair. My own opinion is that whereever Bman is, the KM is the polar opposite. These two individuals' social behavior cannot be more different.
Actually I don't find using number of articles written or ease in reading and watching as good barometers.
We are talking about content, not being prolific, not showmanship.
Scam artists by definition are good with showmanship.
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Post by playa on Jan 26, 2013 8:17:51 GMT -5
Kelvin's articles and videos are very dull and seem to require an interpreter. I have an easier time reading Jeff Mann's material. Not to be offensive in any way. But this has got to be one of the most infantile posts of late. Some of the manuals for sending a spaceship up into the space must be quite dull to me. But not to those who know how to use them or those whose life depend on them.
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