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Post by cloran on Aug 20, 2010 20:31:46 GMT -5
This is from Tom Bartlett over at BM's forum:
"Theoretically, right shoulder plane is better because the shoulder is moving down plane with the shaft giving it more support. But, some people naturally swing down on the elbow plane. Whichever one you use stick with that one. DO NOT try to change to the other. It has ruined many a player trying to do something that their body doesn't want to do on its own. I learned this from personal experience and Homer confirmed it in his audio."
Maybe it's time for me to accept the TSP as being part of MY swing... __________________
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Post by nothere on Aug 20, 2010 20:45:13 GMT -5
This is from Tom Bartlett over at BM's forum: "Theoretically, right shoulder plane is better because the shoulder is moving down plane with the shaft giving it more support. But, some people naturally swing down on the elbow plane. Whichever one you use stick with that one. DO NOT try to change to the other. It has ruined many a player trying to do something that their body doesn't want to do on its own. I learned this from personal experience and Homer confirmed it in his audio." Maybe it's time for me to accept the TSP as being part of MY swing... __________________ It's part of mine and i could never change it , i've tried and Tom is right a waste of time for me, someone else i don't know they might be able to, but i can't. It is part of my swing's DNA and apparently it has sunk in. ..lol. I never even think about it anymore.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Aug 21, 2010 19:29:47 GMT -5
Tom could really swing the club. I saw a video of his swing when he was on the mini-tours and it was really good. According to Manzella, back then Bartlett wanted to get on the elbow plane on the downswing and Manzella was gung ho for it and it didn't work out.
The good thing about the TSP on the downswing is I think it provides a bit more leverage and you don't have to swing as far left to square up the path.
As far as being in somebody's 'swing DNA', I'm not sure I buy into that because when I was in college I naturally swung on the elbow plane on the downswing. Then I took 9 years off and came back swinging on the TSP in the downswing.
Did my 'DNA' change?
I don't think so.
I think it's something one can learn if they have the right teacher and the components are compatible.
3JACK
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Post by iteachgolf on Aug 21, 2010 19:48:18 GMT -5
I have gone from the TSP to the elbow plane. It can certainly be taught
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Post by cloran on Aug 21, 2010 20:09:33 GMT -5
I have gone from the TSP to the elbow plane. It can certainly be taught Would you recommend I try to get to the EP or just get better while staying on the TSP?
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Post by nothere on Aug 21, 2010 20:30:08 GMT -5
Tom could really swing the club. I saw a video of his swing when he was on the mini-tours and it was really good. According to Manzella, back then Bartlett wanted to get on the elbow plane on the downswing and Manzella was gung ho for it and it didn't work out. The good thing about the TSP on the downswing is I think it provides a bit more leverage and you don't have to swing as far left to square up the path. As far as being in somebody's 'swing DNA', I'm not sure I buy into that because when I was in college I naturally swung on the elbow plane on the downswing. Then I took 9 years off and came back swinging on the TSP in the downswing. Did my 'DNA' change? I don't think so. I think it's something one can learn if they have the right teacher and the components are compatible. 3JACK I was joking about the DNA, poking fun at ABS,thus the.. lol. I said i can't change it in" my" swing so far, and i don't really need to so i don't worry about it. I understand that some people can change.
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Post by iteachgolf on Aug 21, 2010 20:31:10 GMT -5
some of your swings were pretty close to the elbow plane and I think you could learn it quite easily.
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Post by cloran on Aug 22, 2010 9:03:41 GMT -5
some of your swings were pretty close to the elbow plane and I think you could learn it quite easily. What makes one superior to another in your opinion? Do you have a "simple" way to bring someone from TSP to EP?
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Post by iteachgolf on Aug 22, 2010 11:22:58 GMT -5
Easy in explanation but would have to be done in person. Elbow plane has slower rate of closure due to #3 angle and makes it easier to control the clubface
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Post by gmbtempe on Aug 22, 2010 13:43:14 GMT -5
Easy in explanation but would have to be done in person. Elbow plane has slower rate of closure due to #3 angle and makes it easier to control the clubface Given your designation as an Authorized Instructor of TGM do you know why in the latest revised edition they decided to use the the TSP as the plane with the mechanical advantage with the reasoning being any plane shift is hazardous but to me that seems very insufficient reasoning.
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Post by cloran on Aug 24, 2010 16:47:29 GMT -5
Strong winds and rain again today at the range. Wind was into me from the left... crappy conditions to work in. I was working on moving the Centers forward through transition, again...
Less hang back with the head this time, but my upper centers certainly aren't moving like I'd want them to. Do they FEEL like they are moving forward? Absolutely! If felt like I was smothering the ball and sliding way forward.
I think I have the goat hump cured. Finally! That alone has made a bid difference in the consistency of my ball striking.
Overall, I had a decent session and I felt like I made some progress.
Pull Fade 6i.
Smooshed 6i
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Post by iteachgolf on Aug 24, 2010 17:25:26 GMT -5
Easy in explanation but would have to be done in person. Elbow plane has slower rate of closure due to #3 angle and makes it easier to control the clubface Given your designation as an Authorized Instructor of TGM do you know why in the latest revised edition they decided to use the the TSP as the plane with the mechanical advantage with the reasoning being any plane shift is hazardous but to me that seems very insufficient reasoning. because the TSP is the plane you can make a full swing with a zero shift.
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carland
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Post by carland on Aug 24, 2010 20:25:37 GMT -5
Cloran:
Your swing looks good to me. I just had a lesson this afternoon focused on fixing my "hang back" on the downswing. It helped. My instructor had me trying to hit 100 yard drivers. When I did that I got my left hip over the outside of my left foot before impact. I was actually hitting it more like 175-200 but it felt like a 100 yard swing. It was a good drill for what sliding left really feels like.
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Post by cloran on Aug 24, 2010 20:36:25 GMT -5
Thx Carland... I've been working on it for about a week now... getting there, lol.
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ioz
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Post by ioz on Aug 25, 2010 4:09:56 GMT -5
---- I think I have the goat hump cured. Finally! That alone has made a bid difference in the consistency of my ball striking. Overall, I had a decent session and I felt like I made some progress. --- cloran, your swing is looking better by the day! good work! Pardon my ignorance, but can you explain what goat humping is exactly? (I mean in golf ;D )
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