Squaring the clubface

Yes you have and i got it the first time. You can give me a lesson anytime.

Ringer - you wrote-: "Just hold the club at address and bend your right wrist back and your left wrist under so it becomes bowed/arched all that happens is the clubface is delofted."

I believe that it is only possible to move the clubface to a delofted state - without altering the clubface angle relative to the ball-target line - if you move your hands off-plane during that maneuver. In a "real life" full golf swing, the hands and clubshaft must remain on-plane as the clubhead passes through the impact zone.

Jeff.

I think i wrote that, Jeff. And i'm going no further i don't want to ruin my record of 1 in a row. Oh! i must be good because i hit that shot no problem, the arched wrist/ delofted clubface straight and penetrating.

Ringer,

For some reason, I missed (didn't read) your reply #14.

You wrote regarding the tumble action.

"Every golf swing that has ever existed that in any way faces the back of the left hand towards the players head at the top of the backswing. What do you think brings that hand back to the ball? Left arm wedge turns and drops while the forearm rolls. Show me a golfer who DOESN'T do that."

Here is Ryan Moore's swing.



He has a steep backswing that gets his clubshaft to be steep at his end-backswing position - image 3.

Note how he drops his hands backwards at the start of the downswing - image 4. I don't see any left forearm supinatory roll-over action in that action. In fact, it could be considered an anti-tumble action because he is tumbling his hands/clubhaft backwards.

Here is Stuart Appleby's backswing action.



I don't know if it fits your criteria of "that in any way faces the back of the left hand towards the players head at the top of the backswing."

He doesn't allow his left arm (or forearm) to rotate counterclockwise in the early-mid downswing. See next photo-series.



You also wrote-: "Think of it this way. You know how I broke down the two ways you can rotate the forearm to being the door knob turn or a whole arm turn? Well the "whole arm" turn is Brian's "Tumble". Just turning the forearm is the "twist about itself".

You call a "whole arm" turn a BM-tumble action. That means that the right forearm flying wedge must also tumble in this BM-tumble action - if it happens in the early-mid downswing when the power package is still intact. That would cause the right elbow to fly out (tushwards) during the tumble action. I have never seen that phenomenon in a professional golfer's swing. Can you post a swing video demonstrating that phenomenon?

Regarding your statement "Just turning the forearm is the "twist about itself" - during any left forearm rotation (supination) action that may occur during the downswing, the left hand is in constant motion and therefore the shaft cannot "twist about itself". I think that the conceptual idea of a shaft twisting "about itself" only has relevance to a stationary left hand situation.

Jeff.

Getting very confused now............so BM vertical tumble action is just another fancy way of saying that the left forearm rotates into impact from P6 to P7? I agree with Jeff though I rarely see any of this "tumble" action from P4 to P6.

First of all Jeff, WHERE... just WHERE THE H-E-(hockey stick)-(hockey stick) did I say that the tumble happens early in the forward swing? Stop putting words in peoples mouths and LISTEN to what they say.

Anthony performs very little tumble, but it is there. Not very much. Most of his squaring the clubface comes from forearm rotation as I demonstrated in the video.

Bottom line, at the top of his backswing the back of his left forearm is facing the sky. It is NOT facing the target. He HAS to do something to change this. Just turning his body doesn't do it. It's called tumble and twist. He has a bit more twist than tumble.