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Post by cloran on Feb 16, 2010 10:48:19 GMT -5
G, Also, in the DTL shadowing video Gerry seems to have a little "fall back" in the swing. Put your finger on his cap during the swing and you can see that he pulls away from the ball. Is that a bit of an illusion because of the open stance? Is it the counter fall move, but it looks like he's falling backwards because he is actually following his foot line?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Feb 16, 2010 10:49:33 GMT -5
One thing I notice, or at least it appears that way to me, is that your footwork looks really great right now.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 16, 2010 11:53:12 GMT -5
That's very interesting, G. So Denny is "experimenting" with you a bit, is that fair to say? I've followed Kuykendall's stuff for a while. I'm a "seeker" of information on the golf swing so I joined his site and I'm intruiged by his beliefs. His newest incarnation "E2E" has been discussed a little on other boards, but with minimul positive support. His LPG had a decent following and I'm waiting to see if this will be the same... he is certainly a brilliant man. I did notice in the shadowing vids that your instructor has a bent left arm at the top of the back swing (more than yours) and I immediately thought of E2E... pretty cool stuff. 160yrds for an 8i is fantastic distance for any swing, nevermind such a compact 3/4 swing. I'd bet that your dispersion is way down and consistency way up, am I right? A few more questions if you don't mind: Where did Denny learn the E2E? Are you actively firing the hands through impact (I still confuse CF with CP... but my guess is no... you let the pivot deliver them, right?)? What's Denny's last name? I'd like to check out his site as well. Thanks for you help. I love the Frankenstein approach to the golf swing... love it! Cloran cloran, Yea, I guess thats fair to say, I am not the first to try this stuff but probably one of the first he has put this entire pattern together for. For example there was a kid hitting next to me who he started with that now is with MOG and he was abusing the golf ball (he is a very accomplished amateur player who played in the US Am last year). Denny likes the E2E backswing but thats about it. Jack Kykendale is in Phoenix and has come to Tuscon and done some clinics with Denny. My instructor wants me to bend the left arm ever so slightly at the top, I am not nearly as rigid as I was. You can see my arms are still ever so slightly going around. This is going to be a major focal point of my practice the next few weeks, but thats exactly why the shadowing is done, very nice pickup. THe fire the hands question, at the top I feel a pull down, I mean down at like a 45 degree angle towards the ball but as I approach the ball the counterfall has aided me in pulling my hands into my left hip where it turns the corner hard left and then recocks after that corner. There is definitely left arm pull down and then the right arm gets involved...four barrel hitting per TGM? dennyalbertsgolf.com....there is a video on youtube that explains the swing. Very perceptive with the fall back, that is part of the counterfall, it acts to balance out the the weight of the arms going out from the body and it aids in the pulling in for the CP release, as you can see Denny has it down. I can't tell you how critical this is in this pattern, when I don't do it I really struggle to CP at all. Thats why he wants the open stance with a flared left foot, this will aid in the counterfall. I would imagine though as your timing and balance get better you can play around with the how much.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 16, 2010 11:56:40 GMT -5
I also wanted to comment on why some of these substitutions to the darome pattern. The darome pattern is the ideal according to Denny but its very complex and takes a looooong time to learn. Denny said there are hundreds of pieces to the pattern, pressure points all over, head and neck tilts, spine, knee, feet, eyes, etc etc. Some of the substitutions he has made is an attempt to use the main part of the pattern, the CP release yet make it easier for the average player to get there.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 16, 2010 11:59:56 GMT -5
One thing I notice, or at least it appears that way to me, is that your footwork looks really great right now. 3JACK Thanks, one thing Denny told me to work on is the bank of the right foot rather than going up on the toe it should roll to the inside of the upper part of the right foot, I think you can see it in his swing, this to me will help in staying linear and getting the arms to recock.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 16, 2010 12:33:23 GMT -5
Greg,
Is Denny your teacher?
Do you really believe that the hip pivot action through impact is primarily responsible for the direction of the clubhead/divot through impact?
Jeff.
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Post by cloran on Feb 16, 2010 12:38:39 GMT -5
That's some pretty cool stuff you're working on there. I'm always drawn to the "outside the box" instructors and philosophies. Good luck...
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Post by joec on Feb 16, 2010 13:18:46 GMT -5
gb, does his video cover his swing pattern? does he give good drills to learn the feel? i am interested in a new method, as the first 150 have not done the trick. would you buy his video?
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Post by cloran on Feb 16, 2010 13:55:07 GMT -5
I see on his website that he has a few pro's and successful amateurs under his wings... do you know if he teaches this pattern to all of his students or is this relatively new for him?
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Post by cloran on Feb 16, 2010 14:02:26 GMT -5
gb, does his video cover his swing pattern? does he give good drills to learn the feel? i am interested in a new method, as the first 150 have not done the trick. would you buy his video? Go to the website and click "I need more" on the bottom left. The vids are there.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 16, 2010 14:43:23 GMT -5
Greg, Is Denny your teacher? Do you really believe that the hip pivot action through impact is primarily responsible for the direction of the clubhead/divot through impact? Jeff. Its one component Jeff and to me its very key, I mean I am pulling the arms down steep so without it I would imagine you would come down over the top and left and hit a pull hook ever time. The direction of the divot is also tied to the release of the tilt from P6 to P8 so you don't come over the top, I don't have this close to mastered. Jeff, right up front I am going to say from a bio mechanical standpoint I don't understand all the elements of the pattern, why certain things work and so on, its not my primary concern at this point. I can tell you its different than anything I have ever been taught and goes against some of the things I thought were essential to the swing. I mean a slight bend in the left arm, thats a no no right, but not with this pattern. This to me would only aid in helping the golf masses who don't have the flexibility to finish the backswing. You don't need a steep backswing shoulder turn like in SnT. The setup is very upright so its easier to turn 90 degrees with your spine, in fact Denny said if you can thats fine but its not the critical element to the pattern. I find this much easier than the steep turn down that is prescribed in the SnT. When your get through impact the left arm is bending, the quicker the better, thought that you wanted the arms very straight sevel feet past impact but not in this pattern, and this would again simplify the motion IMO.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 16, 2010 14:47:19 GMT -5
gb, does his video cover his swing pattern? does he give good drills to learn the feel? i am interested in a new method, as the first 150 have not done the trick. would you buy his video? joec, I think someone has not finished the website and that is a outline of how a dvd could be set up, he has not even filmed anything beyond the youtube stuff so its going to be a while I would imagine. Its going to cover his pattern. I buy a lot of stuff so yea I would buy it, he certainly cleared up a lot of misconceptions about the golf swing that I had thought, such as low and slow, head movements, how the arms finish more up than around.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 16, 2010 14:52:37 GMT -5
I see on his website that he has a few pro's and successful amateurs under his wings... do you know if he teaches this pattern to all of his students or is this relatively new for him? I met 2 guys yesterday that he teaches, one is the reigning AZ amateur champ who shot 64 from the tips last week at the Ritz where they are playing the match play this week (7900 yards), watched a lot of pro's compress the golf ball, never seen many like this kid. Now he is on the full Mac pattern and Denny sent him to Mac based on his talent. This full pattern is new for him, no doubt. He was strictly golf machine till about 05' when he hooked up with darome and has tons of stuff with him, I think then he started to rethink some of the golfing machine stuff and maybe some alternative ideas that could help the average joe. There was another kid there who is Denny's student who is also a very good, better than scratch player. He said to me "stick with this guy, he is a golf teacher". Like I had stated before, I am willing to listen and give anything a try, I can't say long term if this pattern is going to work...what I can say is short term I have learned a lot about my golf swing and have seen improvement already.
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Post by cloran on Feb 16, 2010 14:58:24 GMT -5
How has this pattern effected you with the driver?
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 16, 2010 15:07:21 GMT -5
How has this pattern effected you with the driver? I need to retest after the lesson yesterday. I hit it good on Friday but honestly the pieces are much better now. I am interested in this very much because the driver is the one thing I had been smoking before meeting Denny.
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