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Post by cloran on Jan 26, 2013 10:42:32 GMT -5
Simple, KM says to Jeffy: "Please stop being confrontational in my name. I want no part of it." *POOF* Jeffy stops. You are speculating what Jeffy may do or may not do. What do you think I will do if Bman relates to me to stop being confrontational against him and he wants no part of it? Also, because of the degree of naivety, I really don't know how to respond to your insistence that KM pays compliment back to Bman since Bman has been documented to put KM's work in highest regard. What if KM does not think much of Bman and do you want KM to do a video on that? It's a video you probably won't want to see, right? You don't have a relationship with BM. Jeffy and Kelvin have a relationship. Get it? It's all a rather simple timeline with Jeffy being the catalyst for all the bitterness.
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Post by playa on Jan 26, 2013 10:50:50 GMT -5
It sounds and feels like you have been faulting KM for not stopping Jeffy from doing whatever Jeffy likes to do. And it does not equate that if you blames Jeffy that much you left Bman out of it.
Just answer this question: what can Bman do to improve?
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Post by teeace on Jan 26, 2013 11:01:44 GMT -5
You don't have a relationship with BM. Jeffy and Kelvin have a relationship. Get it? Jeffy and BMan are also in relation.. in very hot relation ;D ;D Sorry.. couldn't avoid that But anyway Jeffy bashing BMan got nothing to do with Kelvin. Or maybe that much , that Kelvin tells Jeffy what to observe in swing, no more. But these relations are funny things when people get delusional. One thing why B wanted to ban me was he thought I'm part of that Jeffy/ Kelvin team. So he even wants to put limits to with who we are discussing with. Anyway.. I start to be totally tired this BMan thing. Mostly he's funny and wrong. It's pity because his forum could be great place for scientific discussions if he allows other people also to tell their opinions and finding. I try to forget BMan now and concentrate on golf.
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Post by cloran on Jan 26, 2013 11:13:31 GMT -5
It sounds and feels like you have been faulting KM for not stopping Jeffy from doing whatever Jeffy likes to do. And it does not equate that if you blames Jeffy that much you left Bman out of it. Just answer this question: what can Bman do to improve? I've been asking questions to Kelvin, fairly obvious questions that I think beg to be asked. Without intervention or comment by KM it appears that Jeffy is his mouthpiece... hard to argue otherwise being that KM doesn't have his own website. Improve as an instructor? Improve his online personality? Improve what?
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Post by cloran on Jan 26, 2013 11:15:13 GMT -5
You don't have a relationship with BM. Jeffy and Kelvin have a relationship. Get it? Jeffy and BMan are also in relation.. in very hot relation ;D ;D Sorry.. couldn't avoid that But anyway Jeffy bashing BMan got nothing to do with Kelvin. Or maybe that much , that Kelvin tells Jeffy what to observe in swing, no more. But these relations are funny things when people get delusional. One thing why B wanted to ban me was he thought I'm part of that Jeffy/ Kelvin team. So he even wants to put limits to with who we are discussing with. Anyway.. I start to be totally tired this BMan thing. Mostly he's funny and wrong. It's pity because his forum could be great place for scientific discussions if he allows other people also to tell their opinions and finding. I try to forget BMan now and concentrate on golf.Something Jeffy should do...
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Post by jeffy on Jan 26, 2013 11:26:48 GMT -5
Why so condescending and confrontational? What are the two mutually exclusive markets they each appeal to exactly? Both instructors teach average golfers, correct? BMan also teaches tour pros... does KM? Other han that I don't see a difference. ALL I see is you being an absolute prick to anyone that has a differing view. ----------------- IN ALL SINCERITY--------- Kelvin... Where are you? Why do you continue to allow Jeffy to speak in your name? As a third party observer, with no horse in the race (despite what Jeffy might twist things to be), your credibility is dropping... and has been since Jeffy started his site. If I were new to the scene and wanted info on you I'd find nothing but hate and verbal abuse... ALL IN YOUR NAME!!!! There is literally NOTHING on that site that would make a golfer WANT to work with you. Why would a golfer want to be brought into that world? I have to assume that your silence on the matter means you APPROVE of the way Jeffy supports you. Is that the case? How blind could you possibly be? I banned you from my site because of your unprovoked "condescending and confrontational" behavior towards Dariusz. Remember? I think I said something along the lines of "assholes like cloran should be banned from every site". Let's clear a few things up. Your original allegation that Kelvin never produces video responses to questions or criticisms is flat out wrong; he's done plenty. And his presentation is far superior to Manzella's: he uses video of players to illustrate his points, not swinging straws at plastic bottles or other dumb shit like that. If your question really is why doesn't he post here or at other sites, the answer is simple: he doesn't want to! He only posts at my site. As far as me posting things that will piss people off, Kel's attitude usually is "they'll hate us anyway, so why not?" BTW, did you see Kel's "analysis" of Martin Ayers' swing? Hilarious. In case you've forgotten, Manzella started this pissing contest. He read my PMs on his site and didn't like me telling other forum members that neither he or Jacobs understood the science. That really freaked him out. Then he banned me and produced two videos that contained blatant slanders. Dumb move. Tubby pissed off the wrong guy.
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Post by rj on Jan 26, 2013 11:35:24 GMT -5
Manzella has produced lots of video's on youtube and lots of instructors use props ...so what!
You banning Cloran was a good thing....... for Cloran.
You are right about a pissing contest because you're doing most of the pissing.
BM pissed off the wrong guy , ok Clint make my day..... lol! I think he pissed off exactly the right guy.
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Post by playa on Jan 26, 2013 11:45:17 GMT -5
It sounds and feels like you have been faulting KM for not stopping Jeffy from doing whatever Jeffy likes to do. And it does not equate that if you blames Jeffy that much you left Bman out of it. Just answer this question: what can Bman do to improve? I've been asking questions to Kelvin, fairly obvious questions that I think beg to be asked. Without intervention or comment by KM it appears that Jeffy is his mouthpiece... hard to argue otherwise being that KM doesn't have his own website. Improve as an instructor? Improve his online personality? Improve what? I am not picky in that regard. Since Bman has so many things lacking, you can say anything you want. It is only fair since we have just covered KM and J.
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Post by rj on Jan 26, 2013 11:50:20 GMT -5
Our saviour has spoken.
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Post by rj on Jan 26, 2013 11:52:46 GMT -5
How is the I'm trying to make BM a better person working out so far? Getting anywhere?
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Post by playa on Jan 26, 2013 11:53:30 GMT -5
Manzella has produced lots of video's on youtube and lots of instructors use props ...so what! You banning Cloran was a good thing....... for Cloran. You are right about a pissing contest because you're doing most of the pissing. BM pissed off the wrong guy , ok Clint make my day..... lol! I think he pissed off exactly the right guy. hello rj, good to see you in one piece still. What does producing a lot of videos have anything to do with anything? Not saying in any way Bmans' videos are all bad or useless given a broad spectrum of audience, but 99% of youtube videos are pure junk.
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Post by playa on Jan 26, 2013 11:54:50 GMT -5
How is the I'm trying to make BM a better person working out so far? Getting anywhere? I don't think you have tried hard enough at all. You were mostly interested in making teeace a worse person and apparently, in the process, you almost got yourself in the frying pan.
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Post by rj on Jan 26, 2013 11:55:21 GMT -5
Manzella has produced lots of video's on youtube and lots of instructors use props ...so what! You banning Cloran was a good thing....... for Cloran. You are right about a pissing contest because you're doing most of the pissing. BM pissed off the wrong guy , ok Clint make my day..... lol! I think he pissed off exactly the right guy. hello rj, good to see you in one piece still. What does producing a lot of videos have anything to do with anything? Not saying in any way Bmans' videos are all bad or useless given a broad spectrum of audience, but 99% of youtube videos are pure junk. I don't know ask Jeffy he's the one that made that reference.
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Post by playa on Jan 26, 2013 11:57:34 GMT -5
hello rj, good to see you in one piece still. What does producing a lot of videos have anything to do with anything? Not saying in any way Bmans' videos are all bad or useless given a broad spectrum of audience, but 99% of youtube videos are pure junk. I don't know ask Jeffy he's the one that made the reference about it. As I said, it is meaningless to talk about videos made and articles written, unless the underlying theme is quality of content. In that regards, KM is miles ahead of the little guy.
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Post by rj on Jan 26, 2013 11:59:03 GMT -5
I don't know ask Jeffy he's the one that made the reference about it. As I said, it is meaningless to talk about videos made and articles written, unless the underlying theme is quality of content. In that regards, KM is miles ahead of the little guy. Opinion.
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