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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 15:45:40 GMT -5
You have your hands full with Jeff M right now and the obvious contradictions between the pics/gifs that don't accurately demonstrate Kelvin's classification system. Good luck!
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 15:48:30 GMT -5
You obviously haven't been on the system. Not that hard to adapt to the cables. I would prefer no cables, but it's better than a Casio!
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 15:55:16 GMT -5
Must be a result of the final findings from the research a thon!!! Wrong Jeffy! Tapio's system can't provide lead/trail wrist data as he admitted. 12 sensors doesn't mean 12 graphs! Keep trying Jeffy! I suspect you haven't been on AMM. Why even bother with multiple cameras? I might end up buying that unit if the price point is less than $5,000. Price counts and I want impact data. So you are once again talking about things you understand nothing. ZERO! That information can be read from graphs and it's not crucial at all for learning. Anyway it's really simple to read from wrist club head relation, so we got no problem with that. If we want to put it out it's only question of calculation between those two points... about same what they do and as accurate as they got... or even more. But there is 100 more important thing to show for student than that. For example reasons why player can have bowed or cupped wrist at impact. If it's so easy to read then provide some numbers instead of your personal opinion. Nobody knows how your system works because nobody uses it but you. I agree with you for a change.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 15:59:01 GMT -5
You answer my question first since video came first! I'll presume you can't answer my question or prove that what you see is what is exactly happening in detail! When you're wrong the other person is ranting? Great debating tactic to deflect your own errors. Wrong about what? What errors? I asked you a question and you went off on a bunch of new topics. 1). Wrists don't drive/hold (Kelvin thought the wrists were drive holding and those were the words used to describe this classification) 2). Continuous pelvis/thorax acceleration in elite golfers - doesn't happen 3). Low rate of flexion/extension - doesn't happen Intention is like opinion, everyone has one!!! Let me guess, the classification is about intention now!!! But video shows fact! You know the errors which is why you focus on internal/external shoulder rotation (no 3d data there) and then try to question AMM. You have guesses from video. Sometimes your correct, but not always! I ask you questions and you do the same thing you accuse me of doing! Ironic that someone can post the same way as you.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 15, 2013 16:28:13 GMT -5
You have your hands full with Jeff M right now and the obvious contradictions between the pics/gifs that don't accurately demonstrate Kelvin's classification system. Good luck! Oh, in other words you "don't know". BTW, here is 14-year old John Oda when he was flip/rolling and Kevin Shields. I don't see any contradictions. Johnny cured his flip/roll, Kevin has some more work to do: The work needed to cure Oda's flip/roll was first discussed in this thread in December 2011. Kevin Shields was unimpressed with the results. Hmmm... richie3jack.proboards.com/thread/3039/trackman-tell
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Post by jeffy on Aug 15, 2013 16:31:47 GMT -5
Yes, he said it is too complicated and that a system like AMM would need at least 4 sensors instead of one. Why do you ignore that? Why do you trust the AMM data blindly? Why do you trust Tapio that it's too complicated? Why else wouldn't they do it? Anyhow, answer the question: why do you trust AMM blindly?
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Post by jeffy on Aug 15, 2013 16:33:21 GMT -5
Wrong about what? What errors? I asked you a question and you went off on a bunch of new topics. 1). Wrists don't drive/hold (Kelvin thought the wrists were drive holding and those were the words used to describe this classification) 2). Continuous pelvis/thorax acceleration in elite golfers - doesn't happen 3). Low rate of flexion/extension - doesn't happen Intention is like opinion, everyone has one!!! Let me guess, the classification is about intention now!!! But video shows fact! You know the errors which is why you focus on internal/external shoulder rotation (no 3d data there) and then try to question AMM. You have guesses from video. Sometimes your correct, but not always! I ask you questions and you do the same thing you accuse me of doing! Ironic that someone can post the same way as you. Irrelevant to this discussion, just more of your broken-record rantings.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 15, 2013 16:37:23 GMT -5
Very extensive, obviously. You really ask some loony questions... Only question was the same type of question you love to ask everyone else when it comes to an epistemological issue. You don't hold your own beliefs up to the same standards you require from others. So what biomechanist supports the continuous acceleration theory? That the wrists are driving/holding? Step up to the plate Jeffy. I suspect you don't have one name (not sure Rick Malm counts as a biomechanist). This is really old ground: Carol Putnam is one. Who said the wrists were "drive/holding"? Source, please.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 17:20:48 GMT -5
Why do you trust Tapio that it's too complicated? Why else wouldn't they do it? Anyhow, answer the question: why do you trust AMM blindly? Same reason you blindly follow video!
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 17:23:59 GMT -5
Only question was the same type of question you love to ask everyone else when it comes to an epistemological issue. You don't hold your own beliefs up to the same standards you require from others. So what biomechanist supports the continuous acceleration theory? That the wrists are driving/holding? Step up to the plate Jeffy. I suspect you don't have one name (not sure Rick Malm counts as a biomechanist). This is really old ground: Carol Putnam is one. Who said the wrists were "drive/holding"? Source, please. ALL of the classifications were NAMED for the wrists (but other things happen of course). Are you now blind? Furthermore, one of Kelvin's followers admitted such fact on the Facebook site. He did it off the LOOK just like all other releases! Let me guess, all the other classifications were the wrists except the one that was wrong! Classic Jeffy ! Never admit error.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 17:25:45 GMT -5
1). Wrists don't drive/hold (Kelvin thought the wrists were drive holding and those were the words used to describe this classification) 2). Continuous pelvis/thorax acceleration in elite golfers - doesn't happen 3). Low rate of flexion/extension - doesn't happen Intention is like opinion, everyone has one!!! Let me guess, the classification is about intention now!!! But video shows fact! You know the errors which is why you focus on internal/external shoulder rotation (no 3d data there) and then try to question AMM. You have guesses from video. Sometimes your correct, but not always! I ask you questions and you do the same thing you accuse me of doing! Ironic that someone can post the same way as you. Irrelevant to this discussion, just more of your broken-record rantings. Only you could respond like that when confronted with someone who responds like you do.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 15, 2013 17:26:38 GMT -5
This is really old ground: Carol Putnam is one. Who said the wrists were "drive/holding"? Source, please. ALL of the classifications were NAMED for the wrists (but other things happen of course). Are you now blind? Furthermore, one of Kelvin's followers admitted such fact on the Facebook site. He did it off the LOOK just like all other releases! Let me guess, all the other classifications were the wrists except the one that was wrong! Classic Jeffy ! Never admit error. Just answer the question. Find in Kelvin's body of work where he said the "wrists are drive/holding". Not what somebody said on Facebook.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 17:27:49 GMT -5
ALL of the classifications were NAMED for the wrists (but other things happen of course). Are you now blind? Furthermore, one of Kelvin's followers admitted such fact on the Facebook site. He did it off the LOOK just like all other releases! Let me guess, all the other classifications were the wrists except the one that was wrong! Classic Jeffy ! Never admit error. Just answer the question. Find in Kelvin's body of work where he said the "wrists are drive/holding". Not what somebody said on Facebook. His own followers can see thus, but you can't!
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 17:28:19 GMT -5
Nothing is driving or holding! Pure fantasy.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 15, 2013 17:31:40 GMT -5
Irrelevant to this discussion, just more of your broken-record rantings. Only you could respond like that when confronted with someone who responds like you do. No, there are plenty of people who can easily tell when you are changing the subject and going off on an irrelevant and predictable rant instead of sticking to the topic.
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