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Post by jeffy on Aug 15, 2013 17:32:38 GMT -5
Nothing is driving or holding! Pure fantasy. Just show me where Kelvin says "the wrists are drive/holding". Simple.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 15, 2013 17:37:45 GMT -5
And tell me what "biomechanical errors" Jeff Mann has found in Kelvin's classifications. You said he found some, so just tell us what they are. And tell me what are the "obvious contradictions between the pics/gifs" and his classifications. "Obvious" should mean they are easy to identify. Spit it out.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 15, 2013 17:43:33 GMT -5
Why else wouldn't they do it? Anyhow, answer the question: why do you trust AMM blindly? Same reason you blindly follow video!Uh, no. I can video something and watch it "live" at the same time and tell whether it is being recorded accurately. AMM is a black-box with no way to check the data without some kind of independent data-collection device, like a multi-camera-based system.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 21:43:46 GMT -5
Nothing is driving or holding! Pure fantasy. Just show me where Kelvin says "the wrists are drive/holding". Simple. You're right Jeffy. He just used those words out of thin air with no relationship to wrists/hands driving or holding. Maybe it has to do with someone holding a driver??? So he uses the term drive/holding but doesn't state what drives/holds? Can't be the pelvis or thorax since those continuously accelerate? You're slipping lately. Every other name classification is based upon the wrists, but not the coveted drive/hold. That can't be connected to the wrists. Give up and admit the classification is misleading as drive/holding. Call it a tour release if that makes you feel good. But it certainly has nothing to do with wrists driving or holding. You dodged that before with me but the Facebook site cleaned that up just like the continuous acceleration stuff. Read the article again if you can't determine te connection. If that doesn't help, nothing can.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 15, 2013 21:45:49 GMT -5
Same reason you blindly follow video! Uh, no. I can video something and watch it "live" at the same time and tell whether it is being recorded accurately. AMM is a black-box with no way to check the data without some kind of independent data-collection device, like a multi-camera-based system. LOL! Black box because you hate the data it produces that blows up the drive/hold, continuous acceleration and low rate flexion/extension claims determined from a Casio! If you don't like the data, attack the machine! I'm not against multi camera machines and will probably get on one at some point.
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Post by teeace on Aug 15, 2013 23:50:00 GMT -5
[quote author=" cwdlaw223" source="/post/41476/thread" timestamp="1376599163" [/quote]Why do you trust Tapio that it's too complicated? [/quote] I think because he got brain action and can think many possibilities to get wrong. And it's really complicated to get exactly right with two sensors, even child can understand that. Also I didn't say once we cant see it. I said it's too complicated to explain it here.. and it's also not that important
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Post by teeace on Aug 15, 2013 23:53:01 GMT -5
You obviously haven't been on the system. Not that hard to adapt to the cables. I would prefer no cables, but it's better than a Casio! I have been and I have seen guys doing similar things. It's funny that they get about 30 degrees open shoulders for players when the top down view shows that shoulder are about square to the target
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Post by teeace on Aug 16, 2013 0:05:33 GMT -5
Just show me where Kelvin says "the wrists are drive/holding". Simple. You're right Jeffy. He just used those words out of thin air with no relationship to wrists/hands driving or holding. Maybe it has to do with someone holding a driver??? So he uses the term drive/holding but doesn't state what drives/holds? Can't be the pelvis or thorax since those continuously accelerate? You're slipping lately. Every other name classification is based upon the wrists, but not the coveted drive/hold. That can't be connected to the wrists. Give up and admit the classification is misleading as drive/holding. Call it a tour release if that makes you feel good. But it certainly has nothing to do with wrists driving or holding. You dodged that before with me but the Facebook site cleaned that up just like the continuous acceleration stuff. Read the article again if you can't determine te connection. If that doesn't help, nothing can. Are you totally out of your mind??? Why the hell to care about names on definition or try to create own definition around the previous one??? You can simply name them A,B and C as different styles but Kelvins terms are much better as they give you some kind of idea what it looks like. Only total idiot can start to complain about those terms and if that really happens in one muscle or another. That generally means guys like you and J.Mann, who even have to create own medical terms like finger twisting to prove.. only to himself.. that everyone else in the world is wrong. That's pretty funny from the guy who can't hit the golf ball or got zero experience of coaching this game
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Post by jeffy on Aug 16, 2013 0:12:37 GMT -5
Just show me where Kelvin says "the wrists are drive/holding". Simple. You're right Jeffy. He just used those words out of thin air with no relationship to wrists/hands driving or holding. Maybe it has to do with someone holding a driver??? So he uses the term drive/holding but doesn't state what drives/holds? Can't be the pelvis or thorax since those continuously accelerate? You're slipping lately. Every other name classification is based upon the wrists, but not the coveted drive/hold. That can't be connected to the wrists. Give up and admit the classification is misleading as drive/holding. Call it a tour release if that makes you feel good. But it certainly has nothing to do with wrists driving or holding. You dodged that before with me but the Facebook site cleaned that up just like the continuous acceleration stuff. Read the article again if you can't determine te connection. If that doesn't help, nothing can. Blah, blah, blah. Just show me where Kel says that "the wrists are drive/holding". Do that and you win. If you can't, then shut up.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 16, 2013 0:24:11 GMT -5
Uh, no. I can video something and watch it "live" at the same time and tell whether it is being recorded accurately. AMM is a black-box with no way to check the data without some kind of independent data-collection device, like a multi-camera-based system. LOL! Black box because you hate the data it produces that blows up the drive/hold, continuous acceleration and low rate flexion/extension claims determined from a Casio! If you don't like the data, attack the machine! I'm not against multi camera machines and will probably get on one at some point. When have I attacked the AMM machine? I am asking a perfectly valid question for any technology: what validation has been performed that confirms it? If you don't know, than why are you blindly trusting it? How is blindly accepting the AMM data possibly in your interests? Do you own stock in the company? Do you own one that you rent time on?
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Post by chipitin on Aug 16, 2013 1:34:02 GMT -5
You're right Jeffy. He just used those words out of thin air with no relationship to wrists/hands driving or holding. Maybe it has to do with someone holding a driver??? So he uses the term drive/holding but doesn't state what drives/holds? Can't be the pelvis or thorax since those continuously accelerate? You're slipping lately. Every other name classification is based upon the wrists, but not the coveted drive/hold. That can't be connected to the wrists. Give up and admit the classification is misleading as drive/holding. Call it a tour release if that makes you feel good. But it certainly has nothing to do with wrists driving or holding. You dodged that before with me but the Facebook site cleaned that up just like the continuous acceleration stuff. Read the article again if you can't determine te connection. If that doesn't help, nothing can. Are you totally out of your mind??? Why the hell to care about names on definition or try to create own definition around the previous one??? You can simply name them A,B and C as different styles but Kelvins terms are much better as they give you some kind of idea what it looks like. Only total idiot can start to complain about those terms and if that really happens in one muscle or another. That generally means guys like you and J.Mann, who even have to create own medical terms like finger twisting to prove.. only to himself.. that everyone else in the world is wrong. That's pretty funny from the guy who can't hit the golf ball or got zero experience of coaching this game Point out where anyone said finger twisting and said it was a medical term. What was said was you can use your fingers to torque the grip end of the club. The only twisting is of what was said and what you think others actually said. Show where Jeff Mann said finger twisting is a medical term. You totally made that up, and that is the only twisting going on you twisting others words. Jeff Mann is a doctor and I'm pretty sure he knows more about medical terms than you ever will.
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Post by teeace on Aug 16, 2013 1:49:41 GMT -5
Are you totally out of your mind??? Why the hell to care about names on definition or try to create own definition around the previous one??? You can simply name them A,B and C as different styles but Kelvins terms are much better as they give you some kind of idea what it looks like. Only total idiot can start to complain about those terms and if that really happens in one muscle or another. That generally means guys like you and J.Mann, who even have to create own medical terms like finger twisting to prove.. only to himself.. that everyone else in the world is wrong. That's pretty funny from the guy who can't hit the golf ball or got zero experience of coaching this game Point out where anyone said finger twisting and said it was a medical term. What was said was you can use your fingers to torque the grip end of the club. The only twisting is of what was said and what you think others actually said. Show where Jeff Mann said finger twisting is a medical term. You totally made that up, and that is the only twisting going on you twisting others words. Jeff Mann is a doctor and I'm pretty sure he knows more about medical terms than you ever will. And there is no way to rotate the shaft by fingers as they are already around the grip. The only movement that rotates the shaft then is the wrist movement. What JM showed and explained was typical of him and insane. Once again Ray, even child can understand that but not you.
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Post by chipitin on Aug 16, 2013 1:57:37 GMT -5
Yes you can pressure the grip end with the fingers to apply a torque, you show it in your video's on p.f. And I doubt highly that Jeff Mann is insane and would know more about medical terminology than you.
How about showing where Jeff Mann said " finger twisting" is a medical term like you claimed, or did you just make that up?
By the way my name isn't Ray. There's lots of people out there that don't agree with you or Jeffy or Kelvin.
There's so much wrong with your claims it's like a bowl of tangled cat hair, you think it's a cat in there but eventually you find out as you go through it there's nothing but hair.
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Post by teeace on Aug 16, 2013 2:07:44 GMT -5
Yes you can pressure the grip end with the fingers to apply a torque, you show it in your video's on p.f. And I doubt highly that Jeff Mann is insane and would know more about medical terminology than you. How about showing where Jeff Mann said " finger twisting" is a medical term like you claimed, or did you just make that up? By the way my name isn't Ray. There's lots of people out there that don't agree with you or Jeffy or Kelvin. There's so much wrong with your claims it's like a bowl of tangled cat hair, you think it's a cat in there but eventually you find out as you go through it there's nothing but hair. LOL.. you really got no idea what you are talking about. Fingers only move with wrist movement and there is no way to use fingers themselves to rotate the shaft. NO WAY, and to claim that is purely insane. That rotation happens only by wrist movement and like said, even child can understand that. And your name is Ray... as well it's about 20 other names that you use and I don't really care... just one insane old crap from Winnipeg.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 16, 2013 6:12:54 GMT -5
You're right Jeffy. He just used those words out of thin air with no relationship to wrists/hands driving or holding. Maybe it has to do with someone holding a driver??? So he uses the term drive/holding but doesn't state what drives/holds? Can't be the pelvis or thorax since those continuously accelerate? You're slipping lately. Every other name classification is based upon the wrists, but not the coveted drive/hold. That can't be connected to the wrists. Give up and admit the classification is misleading as drive/holding. Call it a tour release if that makes you feel good. But it certainly has nothing to do with wrists driving or holding. You dodged that before with me but the Facebook site cleaned that up just like the continuous acceleration stuff. Read the article again if you can't determine te connection. If that doesn't help, nothing can. Blah, blah, blah. Just show me where Kel says that "the wrists are drive/holding". Do that and you win. If you can't, then shut up. And since you can't tell us exactly what is driving or holding the least you could do is change the name which doesn't represent reality!
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