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Post by TeddyIrons on Aug 9, 2010 7:26:12 GMT -5
I think the Biomechanics of your swing are very good for the scores you shoot, which you're probably sick of hearing by now! It seems to me that you get into pitch elbow pretty good but perhaps you still don't have the forearm rotational strength to support it. You say you are hitting slices now but I think with some adjustments and the same swing you could be drawing the ball. Perhaps you could try turning your shoulders more to the 4:30 line and visualise hitting the ball more from that 4:30 line, or hitting the inside back of the ball rather than the back of the ball. With my swing for example, just by adjusting some of my setup I can change from a slice to a hook quite easily.
I think you are a good candidate for Lag's ABS course with this swing - I see a lot of the ABS traits there and the drills would not be such a deviation from what you're already doing.
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Post by pavaveda on Aug 9, 2010 9:38:51 GMT -5
FWIW, I've been in Mod 2 of ABS for a few months now. Haven't sent Lag a video in a while, as I decided I needed to work on some of the basics before I continued work on the advanced. I would like to get my feet working better, but I think it's one of those things that has to come naturally. It's the rare shot that I don't hit fat when I'm trying to force the feet to work like I want them to. When I do connect solidly though, the extra power is obvious.
As for hitting the inside of the ball, I've realized that doing so would probably help, but each time I do it with a teed ball it's almost a guaranteed inside the hosel shank. But I was thinking about it more, and I think I'm just going to have to get comfortable starting the ball out to the right of the target line. (Or at least FEELING like it.)
Regarding the 4:30 line: I sometimes get confused and forget what that line is for. I can't remember if it's the path your hands take, the clubhead is supposed to take, or what. When I tend to think about it too much, I end up with an inside out loop of a swing, so I have to concentrate hard on making the reverse (out to in) happen. My wrist also cups very easily from drilling so much, and I have to work hard to keep it as flat as possible.
Regarding delaying the hip turn on the downswing: I can do this pretty effectively with shorter clubs, and I hit it great when I do, but have a hard time doing it with longer clubs and especially with teed balls.
I'm happy to hear Teddy say that he thinks I get into pitch elbow pretty well because that's something I have to concentrate really hard on as well. My elbow constantly wants to stay by my side (punch), and I still don't think it's where it should be or where I want it to be. I'm sure it would help if I lost a bit of the gut! haha.
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Post by bentshaft on Aug 9, 2010 9:49:55 GMT -5
Hey buddy LOL your gut has NOTHING on me...sometimes I hate watching my vids for that reason alone!! bent
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Post by pavaveda on Aug 9, 2010 9:56:59 GMT -5
Hey buddy LOL your gut has NOTHING on me...sometimes I hate watching my vids for that reason alone!! bent Ha ha. Maybe we need to join Advanced Bike Riding!
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Post by ioz on Aug 9, 2010 17:02:16 GMT -5
FWIW, I think we're all having similar issues with ABS and playing... I try not to think ABS thoughts too much during playing; If I do, my swing is a train wreck... Besides that I still need to direct all my focus on basic stuff; like pivot and over-acceleration. Hang in there!
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Post by pavaveda on Aug 9, 2010 17:12:20 GMT -5
Thanks. I don't really think about ABS swing technique either when playing...I do think about set-up, aim, intentions, and having confidence. Of course, something typically goes wrong, but I try not to be results-oriented out there.
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Post by pavaveda on Aug 9, 2010 18:51:25 GMT -5
I was reading iteach's epic thread about Tilting & Handpath today. It made me want to check something with my swing, and that is whether or not I'm keeping the forward bend that is established upon set-up during the downswing. After hitting the bag a couple of times tonight, I don't believe that I am. So, I checked the video. There's a pretty clear stand-up move which causes me to lose that forward bend. Attachments:
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Post by cloran on Aug 9, 2010 19:09:19 GMT -5
This move is the bane of my existence. I have been working on something in my swing that has cured me of this all together... when I do it, lol. It's still a work in progress.
Basically, I make sure to keep my right heal planted through impact and feel like my foot flops over my right instep (or just stays planted, depending on which shot I'm hitting) while my right knee moves laterally to the left along the target line (parallel). Module 2-ish I suppose. When my right heal comes off the ground and my knee moves closer to the ball I goat hump.
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Post by jonnygrouville on Aug 9, 2010 22:32:07 GMT -5
Ah yes. Losing the tushline, technically 'early extension' or colloquially 'humping the goat'. Again, you will be able to find plenty of great golfers that do it, but it seems to be heading down the road for back pain to me.
I have personally always thought this is related to flipping as the hips are thrust towards the ball trying to find some power and this is normally accompanied by a flip to square up the clubface as the pivot stalls - the difference between throwing the clubhead at the ball and the more complete motion you would see if you were to throw the whole club down the range!
In general, early extenders tend to be more lateral than rotational in their hip movement so should try to feel the weight moving to the left heel through the ball. Easier said than done, yes, but the early extension is a pivot fault and that is probably the best way to address the problem.
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Post by TeddyIrons on Aug 10, 2010 0:27:43 GMT -5
What is evident in that picture is the difference between the shaft plane at address and impact where you are a lot steeper. I know that this is the case for most golfers (if not all) but in your case Pav the difference is quite significant. The fact you lose some tushline means you don't have a lot of space for the arms/hands to pass in front of your body which could be the cause of the slice? At address I notice that your arms drop vertically which for a short iron would be spot on but I wonder for a driver whether you should allow a little more space? Maybe others can comment on this aspect because I'm not too sure about what is advisable here.
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Post by pavaveda on Aug 10, 2010 9:46:37 GMT -5
Thanks guys. I think the way I'm going to try to address it is to keep my forward bend until after the follow through. I could certainly feel it hitting the bag last night. If I swung at the bag in my normal way, I stand up and lift the right heel early. If I focus on keeping the bend, the heel stays down, it feels like there is more room for the hands and arms to come through, and I can actually start to incorporate some Mod 2 action. Need to get to the range and video to make sure.
I would like to know if the arms are supposed to be out a little further for driver like Teddy mentioned.
And if you haven't read iteach's thread about Tilting & Handpath over at WRX, I would highly recommend it. It cleared up a lot of concepts for me like lifting the arms (or not) which were confusing me.
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Post by nothere on Aug 10, 2010 12:20:28 GMT -5
It's simple, your right shoulder goes out towards the target line so your hands stay high and you lose the space because you take it away as your right side now occupies that space as you have moved outwards from the top.
I think it all has to do with your over rotated lafw at the top.
You need to stay in your turned position as the hands and arms drop in the space made in the b.s.
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Post by pavaveda on Aug 10, 2010 12:24:05 GMT -5
Agree. Thanks for the nice post...(for a change )
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Post by nothere on Aug 10, 2010 12:32:37 GMT -5
Agree. Thanks for the nice post...(for a change ) Your welcome. Good luck.
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Post by pavaveda on Aug 10, 2010 12:35:38 GMT -5
You edited your post since I saw it and added: "I think it all has to do with your over rotated lafw at the top." I suspected this, but am not sure how to identify it. Can you explain how you can tell it's over-rotated? Thanks.
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