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Post by pavaveda on Jan 25, 2010 18:10:05 GMT -5
OK. Let's get me from hack to scratch!
First video is from Saturday. (First time using my new casio fc100. Sorry about the tilted view. I need a level!)
Noticed that I was coming OTT most of the time. I can hit that pushed shot anytime you want me to. Ha! That seems to be my standard result. 7 out of 10 times, I'd say.
Sunday, tried to work on not coming OTT. Tried to put my right forearm more on the clubshaft plane at address. Thought that might help. Seemed to, a bit. Also tried to get more weight to my left side on the downswing. Don't think I really got there.
Interested to hear what you guys say. Feel free to pick it apart. I'm open to any suggestion.
About me: 33, 5'11", 195. Started playing last April. Only "lesson" was a free swing eval at GolfSmith. Never been fit for clubs. Typical misses are pushes and ugly slices, if not stupid fat. Best score is 103.
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Post by pavaveda on Jan 27, 2010 11:20:13 GMT -5
It's been a couple of days and no one has said anything. Wondering what I did wrong? Are the videos too long?
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Post by kevcarter on Jan 27, 2010 11:54:16 GMT -5
It's been a couple of days and no one has said anything. Wondering what I did wrong? Are the videos too long? Pavaveda. Best score 103? You must have a horrible short game! There is a LOT to like about your swing. You take it back on plane and to the top like a tour player. If you were my student, I would be working on your hip action at start down. We would accomplish a little bump before anything else starts down, getting your weight over your left leg, or we would set up more left at address, seting up into yourself as Gary Edwin would say, or a reverse K as SliceFixer would call it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=uADtt1gEMcUWatch the swings after the Gary Edwin Logo. They all have their left hip over their left foot at impact. That is where I would like to get you. SliceFixer 9-3 drills focusing on set up might get you there. Look at this series of Lynn Blake and how his lower body is ahead of his head throughout. Bad angle, but you can see it. Beautiful! It won't take you long once you find a path to follow! Kevin Attachments:
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Post by kevcarter on Jan 27, 2010 12:16:04 GMT -5
Another good visual for you at impact. Attachments:
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 27, 2010 12:40:03 GMT -5
Ya, I have been busy the past couple days and missed your video...your swing is much better than you are scoring.
I agree with Kevin, it looks like you are missing the little hip bump, or Hula hula action as described in the TGM. The motion is good.
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Post by pavaveda on Jan 27, 2010 22:16:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies guys. I'll work on getting the left hip over the left foot more. I was actually working on that a bit in the second video, but it's still not where it should be obviously.
The best description of how to get to the left that I've seen to this point has been from Shawn Clement and his Hogan Power Drill or Hogan Power Move. Is there something else I should be looking at for guidance? TGM references, etc?
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 28, 2010 11:36:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies guys. I'll work on getting the left hip over the left foot more. I was actually working on that a bit in the second video, but it's still not where it should be obviously. The best description of how to get to the left that I've seen to this point has been from Shawn Clement and his Hogan Power Drill or Hogan Power Move. Is there something else I should be looking at for guidance? TGM references, etc? The Clement idea is a good one, as Kev said he also has the setup in the reverse K position for those that might have trouble with the bump. Here is 7-14 from TGM 7-14 HIP TURN The Hip Turn as a Stroke Component is strictly the product of the Knee Bend and the Waist Bend. Not otherwise could the weight be shifted and the Shoulder Turn Axis be tilted without moving the Head. A Hula Hula flexibility allows the Hips and Shoulders to be independent but coordinate and so avoid Right Elbow – and – Hip interference and its “Roundhousing” Throwaway (4-D-0) during the Start Down – the Delivery Line ROLL PREPARATION (12-3-22). Except for its being, in itself, the Weight Shift, the Hip Turn is a motion permitting – rather than causing – the other effects, actions and motions of the Pivot. Weight Shift is strictly a HIP MOTION. Substituting a Head Motion and/or Knee Motion will make Swaying inevitable. The Hip Turn can be used to control or modify Hip Action Variations and prevent Zone #1 (9-1) exaggerations. See 2-N and 7-16.
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Post by pavaveda on Jan 28, 2010 13:14:11 GMT -5
Awesome. Thanks.
Ironic too. When I went for my quick swing eval at GolfSmith, and saw my swing (at that time, I'd only been playing for 2 months or so) for the first time, I was rotating my hips back a lot! Around a 70° pivot in the back swing! This was too much for the guy who said that "tour average" was around 40°. It was also causing my right knee to nearly lock-out, and my left knee was coming WAY in toward my right (not so much out toward the ball.) So, he had me reduce my pivot (don't lose the knee bend in my right knee) and put a trash bin inside my left knee and told me to not knock it over. Seemed to work for the rest of the evaluation, but when I got out to the course, it didn't seem to translate all that well although I kept at it.
I took some more video about two months later, and now I had a pretty big time sway of the hips toward my right foot on the backswing. Ugh.
THEN, I'm watching some more Clement videos and he basically states in one of them that you can't have too much pivot as long as you're staying "stacked" (his definition, not the same as Stack&Tilt).
When Homer writes, "Weight Shift is strictly a HIP MOTION. Substituting a Head Motion and/or Knee Motion will make Swaying inevitable." I think the first sentence correlates to Clement's "Hogan's Power Move", while the 2nd sentence describes my struggles described above. Agree?
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 28, 2010 13:36:59 GMT -5
agree pavaveda,
I also asked Clement once about hip turn and shoulder turn and when is too much and he said its all about your balance, if you cannot maintain solid balance then you are over rotating on the back swing or the forward swing.
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Post by antti on Jan 29, 2010 18:24:56 GMT -5
About me: 33, 5'11", 195. Started playing last April. Only "lesson" was a free swing eval at GolfSmith. Never been fit for clubs. Typical misses are pushes and ugly slices, if not stupid fat. Best score is 103.[/quote]
That's going to be a really good swing! I agree that you need some hip bump along with a right shoulder that would work more down towards the ball in the downswing. It woud make your swing more dynamic, right now it looks quite ''armsy''.
But, the biggest thing I see is an open club face. I think the shots you label as pushes are actually cuts with an open club face.
I think you open the club a little bit early in the back swing. Not a lot, but enough to cause you problems. If you look at the back of your left hand it turns upwards as you start back. I think you need something that Joe Dante called one of his ''magic moves'' in the book 4 Magic Moves in the 60's. He talked about turning your left hand knuckles down at the start of the swing.
If I were you I woud practice by stopping the start of my back swing just as the shaft gets to parallel to the ground. If you looked down at your left hand at that moment you should see at most two knuckles (right now I think you would see all four).
That move would fix the open face. I think Manzella teaches a similar thing that he calls ''twist away''. Whatever you call it, once you get the feel of it you need to maintain the same feel all the way thru impact.
I think it would really help you. You really can't fix the OTT if you come into impact with an open face. I think most teacher would agree with that.
And if this post caused more confusion than understanding, then do yourself a favor and disregard it completely.
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Post by johngrahamgolf on Jan 29, 2010 21:57:41 GMT -5
It looks like you've had some lessons on the backswing, but noone has told you how the club should work in the downswing. With a decent working club, many of the other issues will be secondary.
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Post by pavaveda on Jan 30, 2010 12:54:27 GMT -5
And if this post caused more confusion than understanding, then do yourself a favor and disregard it completely. Ha! No. Made perfect sense. I'll give it a shot. I think you're right on in that my downswing needs some work. After analyzing the video a bit, I have a really significant circle delivery path with a sweep release. I made this swing sequence below and traced my hands on the downswing. I'd like to get more to a straight-line delivery path with a snap release. Attachments:
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Post by pavaveda on Jan 30, 2010 12:59:05 GMT -5
It looks like you've had some lessons on the backswing, but noone has told you how the club should work in the downswing. With a decent working club, many of the other issues will be secondary. No lessons thus far. Would love to know how to get a working club on the downswing. Have a feeling that I'm on the right track with changing my delivery line and leftward weight transfer. Thanks for comment!
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 30, 2010 14:04:41 GMT -5
I will offer you my biased opinion. I think that you have a good swing and I think that your OTT move is minor. I think that you could significantly minimize the likelihood of coming OTT if you had a more assertive pelvis shift-rotation movement at the start of your downswing. Alternatively, if you prefer to start the downswing with an upper body move, then you have to ensure that you actively adduct your right upper arm towards the right side of your torso at the start of the downswing, so that the right elbow gets driven to its pitch position alongside the right hip area. Your right elbow moves too far in front of your right hip area in the mid-downswing. Your hands are moving too far-out (towards the ball-target line) with an insufficient amount of the downward component in the early downswing. An active adduction movement of the right arm is the biomechanical factor that is mainly responsible for the down-component while the upper torso (shoulder) rotation is mainly responsible for the out-component of the hand(s) 3-D movement in the early downswing. See my comments in this review paper perfectgolfswingreview.net/slotswing.htmJeff.
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Post by antti on Jan 30, 2010 18:59:55 GMT -5
Your hands are moving too far-out (towards the ball-target line) with an insufficient amount of the downward component in the early downswing.
I think Imperfect is quite correct. Having the right upper arm drop down more vertically from the top would surely energize the rotation of the hips and the torso. After the hands move too much towards the target line its not possible to really rotate hard. Which brings me to a question (for Jeff or anyone). Do all efficient swings have a kinetic chain? (I always have thought so without ever really before thinking about it). As I understand this, the more a player drops his upper arm just down and not out early in downswing, the harder he has to rotate his hips and torso to impact. Is there still a full kinetic chain in a swing where the player really comes downward deep with the upper arm before the rotation begins? I'm having a hard time visualizing hips slowing and giving the energy to the shoulders, and then the shoulders slowing and...arms...club all before impact. Consider this swing by Rory Mcilroy. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR9mY8kYCwc&NR=1&feature=fvwp It seems to me, without the benefit of motion analysers, that he just rotates through the impact area as fast as he can with his hips and torso with no kinetic chain transfer of momentum happening.
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